From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Apr 3 14:11:04 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Tooley, Dave) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:11:04 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Jack & Mark Mathis Message-ID: <4DF4786A05BDCA4BA5AC00431981688002ACFF1B@a0001-xpo0113-s.hodc.ad.allstate.com> List, A few weeks ago Bob Hand sent me a June 1989 issue of the Bombardiers, Inc. newsletter called Crosshairs. The cover story for that issue is about the Mathis brothers. I have posted that article in a section of my website for bombardiers who received the MOH or DSC. Click on this link http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~hfhm/Awards/Awards_home_page.htm to get to the main medals page and then select Jack Mathis. Scroll down till just above the cartoon section and click on the link for the article. It will take about 30 secs for each page to display on a 56k line. But you can read as it builds. Enjoy and my thanks again to Bob!! Dave Tooley From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Apr 3 17:22:15 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:22:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [303rd-Talk] Security on Station In-Reply-To: <106.21791355.2bb3b773@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030403172215.48132.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Can anyone tell me about security at Molesworth? Was there only one point of access onto the base? Were there armed guards walking the perimeter? Were there guards posted around the dispersal areas? And to get on base, why type of information did you need. In 12 O'Clock High, Savage enters the base as the new commander and said something about an AGO (I think this is what he said) and how if the guard ever neglected to ask for it again, he would be very sorry. Thanks, Kevin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Apr 3 21:51:28 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:51:28 EST Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd Guest - Cindy Scherwinski Message-ID: <172.18941f29.2bbe06e0@aol.com> Cindy, Molesworth is about 38.9 miles west and a bit north of Cambridge. When we were there 59 plus year ago I don't believe there was a railroad there. I suspect that may still be the case. We have some very great English Friends who could probably help with first hand knowledge of the English transportation facilities. I have included an e-mail address above that starts 303rd Talk. I suspect if you address your question to the 303rd Talk address one or some of them can and will assist you. Remember over there if you rent or drive a car. The left side is the right side. The right side is the wrong side. It is the same as getting on a horse except the Left side is also the near side and the right side is the off side and also the wrong side. Then horses also have an outside and an inside. The inside is where the hay and oats go and the outside has the horse hairs If after you get on the hair in front of you is hanging down and the hair behind you is sticking up. You had better look ahead for two ears. If you don't see any you probably goofed up somewhere along the way and had better rent a taxi to take you to Molesworth. Happy I could be of help. Gary and Gordy" B17s at Molesworth were mostly tail draggers, Best Wishes, J. Golden Rencher From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Apr 3 22:21:46 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:21:46 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd Guest - Cindy Scherwinski In-Reply-To: <172.18941f29.2bbe06e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E8C518A.6783.3F981F@localhost> > Cindy, > Molesworth is about 38.9 miles west and a bit north of > Cambridge. When Jack, There is nothing wrong with a message like this on the list except that Cindy has never joined 303rd-Talk, therefore she will never see any reply. If you can help Cindy out email her directly at: winski@coredcs.com If you reply to the list, she will never see it. Thanks, -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Apr 4 00:34:52 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bob Hand) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:34:52 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Jack & Mark Mathis In-Reply-To: <4DF4786A05BDCA4BA5AC00431981688002ACFF1B@a0001-xpo0113-s.hodc.ad.allstate.com> Message-ID: > Hi Dave: I E-Mailed Eddie Deerfield a week or so ago regarding the Mathis Boys and Eddie, Editor of The Hell's Angels Newsletter expressed an interest in featuring the guys in a future issue. I said I would try to get some sort of OK to reprint the article or parts of it from whoever....haven't located the proper source yet. Question: Is this something you might have information on? If so, I'll stop searching the archives and / or see what's available. Mailed you an envelope with more stuff yesterday. Let me know what's ho. Have a good weekend...remember about Daylight Savings Time....ALREADY!!!!?! Cheers, Bob From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Apr 4 14:01:55 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Tooley, Dave) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:01:55 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Jack & Mark Mathis Message-ID: <4DF4786A05BDCA4BA5AC00431981688002ACFF20@a0001-xpo0113-s.hodc.ad.allstate.com> Bob, Somewhere floating in a pile of paperwork I believe I have a letter explaining that Bombardiers, Inc. was officially closed at the death of Ned Humphreys the founder of the organization. This closure was a part of the bylaws of the incorporation. The letter also mentions that Mrs. Humphreys and a son were involved in the closure. I don't know what the legal ramifications are when using documentation from a defunct organization. Just to be safe I always give credit. Maybe someone on the list will know more. Enjoy the weekend, though it will be shorter than usual. Dave From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Apr 4 14:36:26 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Fory Barton) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:36:26 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mathis Message-ID: <001f01c2fab7$93756a20$f79a46c6@computer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2FA85.482B8040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A brother Elk named Mathis said he was a brother of Jack. I could be mistaken about the brother but couls have been cousin. He is from farming community of Alexis, IL. Was this Jacks locale? Fory Kuykendalls R O ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2FA85.482B8040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2FA85.482B8040-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Apr 4 19:59:57 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Owen) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:59:57 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mathis References: <001f01c2fab7$93756a20$f79a46c6@computer> Message-ID: <000f01c2fae4$c62b2900$0401a8c0@billowen> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2FAB2.7A1F75C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jack and Mark Mathis were from San Angelo, Texas. Bill Owen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fory Barton=20 To: 303rd - BGA=20 Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 8:36 AM Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mathis A brother Elk named Mathis said he was a brother of Jack. I could be mistaken about the brother but couls have been cousin. He is from farming community of Alexis, IL. Was this Jacks locale? Fory Kuykendalls R O ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2FAB2.7A1F75C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jack and Mark Mathis were from San = Angelo,=20 Texas.
Bill Owen
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A brother Elk named Mathis said he = was a=20 brother of Jack.
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2FAB2.7A1F75C0-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Apr 4 19:43:56 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Tooley, Dave) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:43:56 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mathis Message-ID: <4DF4786A05BDCA4BA5AC00431981688002ACFF23@a0001-xpo0113-s.hodc.ad.allstate.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FAE2.87D3BC63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Fory, According to the article they were born in San Angelo, TX and grew up in Sterling City, TX. On the page with the picture of the MOH it says that Harrell C. Mathis of Alexis, IL is the sole surviving brother. Dave ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FAE2.87D3BC63 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FAE2.87D3BC63-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Apr 4 22:14:04 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bob Hand) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 17:14:04 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mathis In-Reply-To: <000f01c2fae4$c62b2900$0401a8c0@billowen> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3132321244_5443999 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable There is ample existing detail about Jack Mathis for us to add a creative touch in an article of our own....certainly that=B9s where the other articles came from. Glad to write one up. Cheers, Bob Hand --B_3132321244_5443999 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [303rd-Talk] Mathis There is ample existing detail about Jack= Mathis for us to add a creative touch in an article of our own....certainly= that’s where the other articles came from.  Glad to write one up= .  Cheers,  Bob Hand --B_3132321244_5443999-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Apr 6 18:12:36 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jo=E3o=20Henrique?=) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 14:12:36 -0300 (ART) Subject: [303rd-Talk] Schweinfurt commemorative book Message-ID: <20030406171236.24449.qmail@web20810.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Sir: I am in final stage of research pictorial material for a commemorative book about the first and second Schweinfurt raids. After a number of contacts with veterans who donate his recollections I would like to locate combat and target pictures, mission reports and any other issue related. As the deadline is short would be great if any document or picture could be sent by e-mail after scanned in 300dpi. The objective of this book is to offer as many as possible information and honor the men involved in that battle. Thank you for any action. Sincerely Joao Henrique Barone Researcher _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail O melhor e-mail gratuito da internet: 6MB de espaço, antivírus, acesso POP3, filtro contra spam. http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Apr 7 17:12:46 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Owen) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:12:46 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Star Banners Message-ID: <001d01c2fd20$8815b520$0401a8c0@billowen> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2FCF6.9E6579C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List, Not long ago there was discussion about the Blue and Gold Star banners = to place in the window for families with loved ones serving in the armed = forces. In today's paper there was an article about these banners. The = banner was designed and patented in 1917 by WWl Army Captain Robert L. = Queissner of the 5th Ohio Infantry, who had two sons serving on the = front lines. The banner was used again in WWll, but didn't reappear = until Sept. 11, 2001. The article says they are available through the American Legion. Some = Posts have them in stock. So if anyone wants a banner call your American = Legion Post. Cheers, Bill Owen ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2FCF6.9E6579C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
List,
 
Not long ago there was discussion about = the Blue=20 and Gold Star banners to place in the window for families with loved = ones=20 serving in the armed forces. In today's paper there was an article about = these=20 banners. The banner was designed and patented in 1917 by WWl Army = Captain Robert=20 L. Queissner of the 5th Ohio Infantry, who had two sons serving on the = front=20 lines. The banner was used again in WWll, but didn't reappear until = Sept.=20 11, 2001.
 
The article says they are available = through the=20 American Legion. Some Posts have them in stock. So if anyone = wants a=20 banner call your American Legion Post.
 
Cheers,
 
Bill Owen =   
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2FCF6.9E6579C0-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Apr 8 00:08:57 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Jones) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 19:08:57 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Collins Bombers damaged Message-ID: <3E91CCC9.23401.2AD3E48@localhost> Apparently the fabric control surfaces were destroyed by hail in Texas. http://www.collingsfoundation.org/cf_news_04-06-2003_haildamage.htm Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net Main home page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones WWII/B-17 page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones/wwii.html From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Apr 8 02:17:38 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 01:17:38 +0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Collins Bombers damaged Message-ID: <20030408011740.0441E53536@pairlist.net> Bill- a friend sent me this earlier: >From the Warbird Resource Group board: Posted by Ryan Keough on 9:29:51 4/6/2003 from 24.147.41.18: Last night a significant storm blew through the Dallas area and created golf ball sized hail that dumped over Addison airport and unfortunately the Collings Foundation's B-17 & B-24. Reports just came in, but it looks like the fabric control surfaces on both planes are ruined and need replacement. On initial inspection, sheet metal damage seems to be merely superficial, but as the day progresses we will be able to better tell. What we do know is that the visit to Roswell, NM will have to be cancelled, though there is a possibility of at least the B-17 making it to Tucson if we can get ahold of spare control surfaces. The B-24 isn't as fortunate as it is not easy to find spare control surfaces for it. If anyone has any resources that may help us in getting the planes back up and running, please contact me off the list at rkeough@collingsfoundation.org. Thanks. Ryan Keough Collings Foundation > Apparently the fabric control surfaces were destroyed by hail in Texas. > > http://www.collingsfoundation.org/cf_news_04-06-2003_haildamage.htm > > Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net > > Main home page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > WWII/B-17 page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones/wwii.html > > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Apr 8 23:57:01 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (John J.Nicastro Sr.) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 18:57:01 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Ages Message-ID: <004001c2fe22$81af7ce0$0100007f@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C2FE00.A3998E80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0035_01C2FE00.A3998E80" ------=_NextPart_001_0035_01C2FE00.A3998E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankHad an interesting discussion at our local VFW club the other night = concerning our ages during the Armed Sevices in WWII. Discovered that I = was the youngest as a Commissioned Officer with combat experience (35 = Missions) and was still 19 years of age. Is there anyone else out there = with the same credentials. Happy Easter to all. ------=_NextPart_001_0035_01C2FE00.A3998E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank
Had an interesting discussion at our local VFW club = the other=20 night concerning our ages during the Armed Sevices in WWII. = Discovered that=20 I was the youngest as a Commissioned Officer with combat experience (35=20 Missions) and was still 19 years of age. Is there anyone else out = there=20 with the same credentials. Happy Easter to all.

 

------=_NextPart_001_0035_01C2FE00.A3998E80-- ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C2FE00.A3998E80 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Blank Bkgrd.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <003301c2fe22$2aab2e80$0100007f@oemcomputer> R0lGODlhLQAtAID/AP////f39ywAAAAALQAtAEACcAxup8vtvxKQsFon6d02898pGkgiYoCm6sq2 7iqWcmzOsmeXeA7uPJd5CYdD2g9oPF58ygqz+XhCG9JpJGmlYrPXGlfr/Yo/VW45e7amp2tou/lW xo/zX513z+Vt+1n/tiX2pxP4NUhy2FM4xtjIUQAAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C2FE00.A3998E80-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Apr 9 01:31:16 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (bill runnels) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [303rd-Talk] Ages In-Reply-To: <004001c2fe22$81af7ce0$0100007f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20030409003116.71721.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> I completed 14 missions before VE Day at age 19. Bill Runnels, Bombzrdier, 303rdBG, 360th Sqd. --- "John J.Nicastro Sr." wrote: > BlankHad an interesting discussion at our local VFW > club the other night concerning our ages during the > Armed Sevices in WWII. Discovered that I was the > youngest as a Commissioned Officer with combat > experience (35 Missions) and was still 19 years of > age. Is there anyone else out there with the same > credentials. Happy Easter to all. > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Apr 10 00:04:26 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Dick Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:04:26 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] RE: 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #890 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: <20030409105647.552BC53769@pairlist.net> Message-ID: 303rd-talk@303rdbga.com Hi : This is Spider Smith. I was 19 when I arrived at Molesworth, I turned 20 on June 3rd and finished my Bomber missions on Ovt 20th. I the went to the !st Scouting Force and flew 25 more missions before I bailed out over Belgium from a burning P51. I returned back home on May 25 1945 and said to my Dad that I was going to go and ask my girlfriend to marry me . Dad said no you aren't ,youre not 21 and you don't have my permission. "Listen son mariage is something you'll only regret once and that's the rest of your life" I waited till my 21st birthday June 3rd and then asked Betty to mary me , we've only been married 58 years and I don't regret it at all. Enough said Dick " Spider" Smith -----Original Message----- From: 303rd-Talk-admin@303rdBGA.com [mailto:303rd-Talk-admin@303rdBGA.com]On Behalf Of 303rd-Talk-request@303rdBGA.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:57 AM To: 303rd-Talk@303rdBGA.com Subject: 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #890 - 2 msgs Send 303rd-Talk mailing list submissions to 303rd-Talk@303rdBGA.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/303rd-Talk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 303rd-Talk-request@303rdBGA.com You can reach the person managing the list at 303rd-Talk-admin@303rdBGA.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 303rd-Talk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Ages (John J.Nicastro Sr.) 2. Re: Ages (bill runnels) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "John J.Nicastro Sr." To: "303 talk" <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 18:57:01 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Ages Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C2FE00.A3998E80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0035_01C2FE00.A3998E80" ------=_NextPart_001_0035_01C2FE00.A3998E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankHad an interesting discussion at our local VFW club the other night = concerning our ages during the Armed Sevices in WWII. Discovered that I = was the youngest as a Commissioned Officer with combat experience (35 = Missions) and was still 19 years of age. Is there anyone else out there = with the same credentials. Happy Easter to all. ------=_NextPart_001_0035_01C2FE00.A3998E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank
Had an interesting discussion at our local VFW club = the other=20 night concerning our ages during the Armed Sevices in WWII. = Discovered that=20 I was the youngest as a Commissioned Officer with combat experience (35=20 Missions) and was still 19 years of age. Is there anyone else out = there=20 with the same credentials. Happy Easter to all.

 

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I was barely 19 = when I was=20 shot in the head by a sniper......11/11/44 and was sent to the 303rd on = limited=20 duty in March '45. Important lesson,don't wave your arms around and look = important....snipers love it.  = Neal
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C2FED4.1B231100-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Apr 10 03:04:16 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 19:04:16 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] (Fwd) Re: (Fwd) 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #890 - 2 msgs Message-ID: <3E946EB0.14091.71A1DA@localhost> ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: BOBMORRIS3@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:49:16 EDT Ages. Bob Morris here. Completed 18 missions at age 19. Looks like some of us were born within two years of each other. ------- End of forwarded message --------- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Apr 10 02:11:40 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:11:40 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Ages Message-ID: <1d7.6cd5eb8.2bc61ecc@aol.com> --part1_1d7.6cd5eb8.2bc61ecc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be very careful to stay well out of sight. Especially at age 78. Thanks Bob --part1_1d7.6cd5eb8.2bc61ecc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will be very careful to stay well out of sight. E= specially at age 78.
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Bob --part1_1d7.6cd5eb8.2bc61ecc_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Apr 10 13:12:55 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bob Hand) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:12:55 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re:Ages of man.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Yo, Spider (and all you 35'ers,) are we SURVIVORS or what!! Good Health, Good Times to us all. Cheers, Bob Hand> From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Apr 13 00:26:51 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:26:51 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] 13 April 1944 - Schweinfurt Message-ID: <3E983E4B.20313.9ADDC5@localhost> Schweinfurt was the target 59 years ago tomorrow. Below is the write-up from our CD "The Molesworth Story." Were any of you on this mission? 303rd BG (H) Combat Mission No. 135 13 April 1944 Target: Kuge/Fischer Ball Bearing Works, Schweinfurt, Germany Crews Dispatched: 20 Crews Lost: Lt. Viets - 9 POW, 1 EVD Crew Members Lost or Wounded: 3 crewmen wounded Length of Mission: 7 hours, 30 minutes Bomb Load: 5 x 1000 lb G.P. bombs Bombing Altitude: 19,000 ft Ammo Fired: 8,300 rounds Schweinfurt, Germany was the target for today. There were no early returns. At the target there was 6/10 to 8/10 cloud cover which contributed to making a short bomb run. Contrails above 20,000 feet aided enemy fighters=96enemy pilots dove down at the formation after flying in the contrails of other fighters. Aircraft dropped 45 tons of 90 1,000-lb. G.P. bombs along with 50 bundles of USG 39 "Nickels" on the primary target from 19,000 feet. Bomb results were unobserved but 1 BD results were good. Moderate to intense and accurate flak was experienced at the target. Chaff did not appear to be effective. Fifteen aircraft sustained flak battle damage and one, friendly battle damage. Crews reported 15 to 20 enemy fighters. Direct head-on attacks predominated. Ten crewmen were missing and three men were wounded, two from flak fragments and one from 20mm enemy aircraft cannon shell fragments. Friendly fighter support was good and exceptionally good after the target. Three aircraft sustained fighter battle damage. Formation Commander Capt. Louis M. Schulstad reported, "The German fighters really swarmed over us today and it was one of the toughest battles we have had for some time. Our own fighter escort did a swell job, but they had too many Germans to take care of at one time. We bombed visually, but didn't see the results because of cloud cover that came over the target just as we passed over." S/Sgt. Vernon W. Stone, tail gunner on the Fortress Sweet Rose O'Grady, got a good look at the bombing and said, "Our bombs seemed to be pretty well concentrated in the factory area, but the incendiary bombs from the Group behind us were starting fires all over the town." S/Sgt. Edward J. Vallee, waist gunner, claimed one-half of a fighter. "There were about 100 fighters around us and one came in and peeled off behind our tail. The tail gunner and I let him have it and he went down in flames," S/Sgt. Vallee said. Sgt. Sam Faraone, ball turret gunner on Idaliza, was glad to have the fighter escort. "One FW-190 cut across in front of us and shot out our nose," Sgt. Faraone said. "Then the P-47s jumped him and shot him down in less time than it takes to tell it. They were really on the ball." Out of 626 aircraft dispatched, 38 were missing, 4 crew members were killed, 46 were wounded and 381 crewmen were missing. -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Apr 13 18:09:00 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gordon Alton) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:09:00 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] book on eBay Message-ID: <004401c301df$612e1290$8c91c8cf@altonmain> Here is a book about the 303rd that some of you might be interested in. It is listed on eBay, and has another day or so in which to bid. Gordy. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3512823416&category=29344 Gordon Alton Box 855 Salt Spring Island, BC, Can V8K2W3 250-537-5913 tailgunnerson@uniserve.com "Please remember those who gave so much to keep your freedom free..." From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Apr 15 17:14:34 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [303rd-Talk] Flak Houses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030415161434.78123.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> What was the general procedure for being sent to a flak house? Did the flight surgeon spot people after a mission and decided they had had enough? Was there a generally accepted number of missions and then you were sent there? And what did you do when you were there? Were there psychologists there to make sure you hadn't gone "'round the bend?" Were you allowed to leave the place and go into town? (Where is everyone these days?) Kevin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Apr 15 18:41:39 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:41:39 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Flak Houses In-Reply-To: <20030415161434.78123.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3E9BE1E3.15184.B66061@localhost> > What was the general procedure for being sent to a > flak house? Did the flight surgeon spot people after > a mission and decided they had had enough? Kevin, That is a great question. I wonder if my dad went to a place like that for a while. In his Journal for his 14th mission, he wrote, "Fighters attacked the high group and made a pass or two at our group. After one of these passes, one of the Forts seemed to be having some kind of trouble. The pilot pulled out of formation and opened the bomb bay doors as if to salvo his bomb load. In about ten seconds the ship exploded in one massive orange ball of fire. It was a sickening sight to witness. This was the first time I had seen a Fortress go down like that. We were in the plane nearly nine and one half hours. We went through a lot of flak, and as usual, picked up a few holes. One piece of flak went through the cowling on the No. 1 engine. How it missed hitting one of the cylinders is still a mystery to me. There was no crew injury. The plane had to be patched up in a few places, but the damage was not very serious . . . . After landing, I decided to go the hospital for a few days rest." His next mission was 8 days later. Where would he have gone? -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Apr 15 18:36:40 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:36:40 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] GI R & R in London Message-ID: <3E9BE0B8.6176.B1D359@localhost> Gang, I received the following message and wonder if you can help Louise Pratt. If you can, please relpy to the list and copy your message to her at: Louise.zealcom@blueyonder.co.uk ----- Hello, wondered if you could help me. I'm working for a community centre in London UK which was used as a GI R&R place during WW2. The address is 64 Crouch Hill, London N8 and it is in North London in the area of Hornsey, you can also access the site from a road called Hornsey Rise. We are threatened with closure and I would be very interested in any memories from veterans who might have been there so I can explain to the local community here the important historical significance of the site. It's such a wonderful site and I'd like to recreate some of the events that went on in the past. I really hope you can help. Thanks. Louise Pratt ----- -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Apr 15 18:35:46 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:35:46 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Flak Houses Message-ID: <1d2.77cd751.2bcd9cf2@aol.com> Never got to the flack house. Didn't know about them. How many missiions did one fly before it qwas neccesary, or was it differeent for each indiviual? I know we lost our ball turret man, but we were never told why-assumed he cracked. Bob From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Apr 15 23:17:47 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [303rd-Talk] Flak Houses In-Reply-To: <3E9BE1E3.15184.B66061@localhost> Message-ID: <20030415221747.33469.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> I believe all of the bases has a Base Hospital - I've seen a number of them at various 8th AF airfeilds. One of the best is at the 96th BG's Snetterton Heath. They turned the old hospital into a school!!! Another great hospital is at Martlesham Heath, home of the 356th FG during the war, and now being used by the R&D unit of British Telecomm. Not sure if your Dad went to a flak house or base hospital. But since he had never seen a Fort blow up, he must have been early in his missions. (Guessing) Thanks for the reply! Kevin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Apr 16 00:03:59 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Dick Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:03:59 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Flak Houses Message-ID: Hi This is Spider Smith: I was sent to two different flack Houses while I was flying in The First Scouting Forces . The reason was never given to me but maybe I was shaking too much.At the first one Stanbridge Earls in Southern England got to visit Winchester Cathedral. On the first night there I was initiated into the Succer of the Month Club. We were dancing in the living room with The red cross gals who ran the place and the one I was dancing with asked if I would like her to show me the Grounds. Oh boy I thought I've got it made.Well she took me out and we walked around to the back of the castle and she said come over here . I walked over to her thinking she was making a pass at me , she took the lid off a trash can and said here they are ,our coffee grounds for the last week. Just then a flash went off and my picture was taken by someone hiding in the bushes . That picture was posted on the wall in the castle along with the other suckers who bit on that scheme. What a way to be welcomed to a rest leave.The other Flak Leave was after I bailed out of my P51 which was on fire over Belgium. That Rest home was also in southhern England and I got to play Golf while I was there . Enjoy Spider From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Apr 16 01:41:11 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:41:11 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Flak Houses In-Reply-To: <20030415221747.33469.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3E9BE1E3.15184.B66061@localhost> Message-ID: <3E9C4437.32638.236A12C@localhost> > Not sure if your Dad went to a flak house or base > hospital. But since he had never seen a Fort blow up, > he must have been early in his missions. (Guessing) It was the mid-point. He flew 28 missions. I know he had seen Forts go down, but maybe not blow up. -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Apr 16 00:56:34 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:56:34 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Never ever heard of "flak Houses" Message-ID: Hi Gang This is the first I ever heard of a flak house. I never heard of anyone who went to one. I never knew anyone who went to one to my knowledge. As far as I am concerned, If anyone in an air crew went to one, someone in the "let's wash this guy out before he graduates" Department really goofed up Good Heavens, I would rather have a GIRL on my crew than. a potential Flak house inmate. Now don't get me wrong. I love GIRLS. I think they are greater than even wheels, mankind's greatest invention, but very strongly I do NOT believe they should be in combat. Would you support a law that said "All football teams must play 6 girls on each pIay? I even suspect some of them will start agreeing with me if this war lasts much longer. Now you know why I have few if any friends. Gad !! How would I use my fuse can if I had a girl copilot? How would she use hers? How would I stay in formation if she did? Best Wishes. J. Golden Rencher From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Apr 16 01:05:31 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:05:31 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Never ever heard of "flak Houses" Message-ID: <141.f51e3f0.2bcdf84b@aol.com> Hay jack, Keep on dreaming. Those days are far and few between any more, and I can guess what you will say "talk for yourself". Best wishes, Bob From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Apr 16 15:53:28 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Marleen Eastin) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:53:28 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Never ever heard of "flak Houses" Message-ID: Mr. Rencher, You are hilarious!! I love reading your notes! Marleen Eastin _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Apr 16 18:48:19 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Ed Lamme) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:48:19 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] flak house Message-ID: <001701c30440$5ee6ade0$482764d8@computer> Gary - My crew, Strickland were ordered to a hotel in Blackpool about halfway through our mssions. I believe your father was at Molesworth at about the same time. There were games and other entertainment provided by Red Cross and a change for the better in food. As I recall we were gone about 8 days and the entire crew was involved. I believe there was a practice at that time, mid-July l943, that crews about halfway through were automatically sent there. It was humorously labeled a flak shack but actually a pretty nice hotel right on the beach. Ed Lamme A.C. Strickland crew, 427th From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Apr 16 23:22:03 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Leroy Audrey) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:22:03 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mr. Rencher and GIRLS on the crew Message-ID: <004401c30466$9bd7eae0$b77d7618@ce1.client2.attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3043C.B2B71E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, Jack, you pose a problem for a time that was based on the = situation as it is today. I would say that those not familar with the = path to the relief station out in back on the B-17, they could not = appreciate the ponderous problem we faced. The intelligent, good looking,resourceful fly-boys of today are living = with the situation or at least they not openly discussing it, I assume = they sucked in their gut so the bars on their shoulders popped up few = inches higher and solved the problem--and boy I think we were just as = goodloking, intelligent and resourceful flyboys that we could have = solved the situation and survived . Thnik of all the stories we could = have today to be putting on the talk site. L. Christenson ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3043C.B2B71E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, Jack, you pose a problem for a = time that was=20 based on the situation as it is today. I would say that those not = familar with=20 the path to the relief station out in back on the B-17, they could not=20 appreciate the ponderous problem we faced.
The intelligent, good = looking,resourceful fly-boys=20 of today are living with the situation or at least they not openly = discussing=20 it, I assume they sucked in their gut so the bars on their shoulders = popped up=20 few inches higher  and solved the problem--and boy I think we were = just as=20 goodloking, intelligent and resourceful flyboys that we could have = solved the=20 situation and survived . Thnik of all the stories we could have today to = be=20 putting on the talk site.
L. = Christenson
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3043C.B2B71E40-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Apr 20 19:19:13 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: 20 Apr 2003 18:19:13 -0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Information About My Father Message-ID: <20030420181913.8419.qmail@webmail2.knology.net> Thank you for allowing me to participate in this talk forum. My father, Isaac Newton Sanford, was KIA on August 27, 1944 over Denmark. He was with his crew piloted by Yarnall. My name is Jane Sanford Waite and my father was killed when I was 1 year and 1 month old. I would appreciate any information about him or how I would go about talking with someone who might have known him. Thanks. From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Apr 20 22:21:18 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (bill runnels) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [303rd-Talk] Information About My Father In-Reply-To: <20030420181913.8419.qmail@webmail2.knology.net> Message-ID: <20030420212118.71211.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> Jane, if you have not already done so, check >303rdBGA.COM<, click on "Crew Photos", "360th Squadron". You will find a picture of the Yarnall Crew with some added details. Hope additional information will be forthcoming from someone who knew Lt. Sanford. I flew with the 360th but your father was there much earlier than I. Bill Runnels, Bombardier --- b.waite@knology.net wrote: > Thank you for allowing me to participate in this > talk forum. My father, > Isaac Newton Sanford, was KIA on August 27, 1944 > over Denmark. He was with > his crew piloted by Yarnall. My name is Jane Sanford > Waite and my father > was killed when I was 1 year and 1 month old. I > would appreciate any > information about him or how I would go about > talking with someone who > might have known him. Thanks. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Apr 22 04:39:28 2003 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: 22 Apr 2003 03:39:28 -0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Information About My Father In-Reply-To: <> References: <> Message-ID: <20030422033928.8812.qmail@webmail1.knology.net> Thanks so much for taking the time to respond and for referring me to the web site. I appreciate all of you men more than I could ever express because I know something of what you went through for my freedom. . On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:21:18 -0700 (PDT), bill runnels wrote : > Jane, if you have not already done so, check > >303rdBGA.COM<, click on "Crew Photos", "360th > Squadron". You will find a picture of the Yarnall > Crew with some added details. Hope additional > information will be forthcoming from someone who knew > Lt. Sanford. I flew with the 360th but your father was > there much earlier than I. > > Bill Runnels, Bombardier > > > > > > > --- b.waite@knology.net wrote: > > Thank you for allowing me to participate in this > > talk forum. My father, > > Isaac Newton Sanford, was KIA on August 27, 1944 > > over Denmark. He was with > > his crew piloted by Yarnall. My name is Jane Sanford > > Waite and my father > > was killed when I was 1 year and 1 month old. I > > would appreciate any > > information about him or how I would go about > > talking with someone who > > might have known him. Thanks. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > From glm@303rdBGA.com Wed Apr 30 15:08:27 2003 From: glm@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:08:27 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] 303rd-Talk Fourm Closing Message-ID: <3EAF766B.31122.55D2BC@localhost> Friends, After almost three years, the time has come to end this great list. Gordon Alton and I have discussed it with the 303rd BGA Website Committee and we all agree that our talk forum has run its course and it is time to move on. There is a wealth of information in the Archives, which we have preserved for your research. The archives are saved in their raw format, so if you are looking for something specific, it may take a little digging. The archives are provided "as is" and without any 303rd BGA support. They are available here: http://www.303rdbga.com/303rd-talk-archive/ The above link is also noted in the What's New section of the website. There are no other links to it. We sincerely thank you for your input, participation and support. We especially thank the 303rd Veterans for sharing their memories and knowlege with us. It has been a very educational and wonderful learning experience for everyone involved. The email address 303rd-Talk@303rdBGA.com is no longer in use. Sincerely, Gary Moncur Gordy Alton -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com