From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Dec 4 17:27:35 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:27:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [303rd-Talk] Favorite Christmas Memory at Molesworth In-Reply-To: <73820278-0341-11D7-B81B-0003937677B4@cox.net> Message-ID: <20021204172735.6466.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> What is your favorite memory from the Christmas Season at Molesworth? I have heard some Groups held Christmas parties for children living near the bases - did anything like this occur at the 303rd. What were your favorite Christmas songs from the era? Kevin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Dec 4 18:18:40 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:18:40 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets Message-ID: <3DEDE490.29.6162F7@localhost> I have added the few A-2 Jackets I have photos of to a new page here: http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html If you would like to have your jacket added, please contact me at glm@303rdBGA.com This page should be a lot of fun. Thanks! -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Dec 5 00:25:26 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bob Hand) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:25:26 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: Christmas Eve In-Reply-To: <20021204172735.6466.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >On Dec.24 we bombed targets at Merzhausen and were headed back to Molesworth when we were diverted because of weather to Snetterton Heath. I fell in with the festivities at the base and lost track of time and was left with no barracks or bed and/or blanket, etc. By this time the well known pot bellied stoves had burned themselves out and it wasn't getting any warmer. I gently lifted a blanket from over 4 or 5 sleeping airmen and fashioned a sack on the floor with my head next to the stove and fell fast asleep. Sometime in the night a person wearing heavy shoes was making his way to the john in the dark and not seeing all that well accidentally kicked me full force in the head. By the time I got back from First Aid my blankets were gone and I spent the rest of Christmas Eve sleeping in a chair in the day room. Favorite song was Opus Number One, by Tommy Dorsey, I believe. The first 8 bars were sure to get your attention. Speaking of Christmas...by all means, HAVE A HAPPY !!!! Good Cheer, Good Health and Spirits..Bob Hand From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 2 05:00:57 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:00:57 EST Subject: [303rd-Talk] Control Surface Locks--Revisited Message-ID: <159.184723b1.2b1c4309@aol.com> --part1_159.184723b1.2b1c4309_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of months ago I asked a mundane question about subject locks. The question drew a number of responses but before I could follow up, my computer crashed, I lost all the comments, and the topic got lost in the cracks. The list has been very quiet lately so I thought it might be a good time to try and pick up the pieces. For years I've wondered from time to time about an unusual experience I had while substituting for the RO of a strange crew. My wonder was concerned chiefly with my chance of surviving that flight. It was on a cold, dark, foggy morning. At the mission briefing the pilots were ordered to take off and maintain their runway heading, a specific airspeed, and a specific rate of climb until breaking out in the clear at about 20,000 feet. Although I could not see the ground during the takeoff roll, I felt the wheels leave the runway and I sensed that we immediately went into a steeply banked turn. I further sensed that we did a 360 before the plane leveled off and started to climb out. Because of the proximity of other bases with 100s of planes taking off under the same circumstances, I was concerned with our straying from the specified course, needless to say, but relieved when we finally climbed out into the clear. There was not a single comment about the event on the intercom but during interrogation after the mission the engineer explained to me, over a cup of Johnny Walker Red Label, that the pilot took off with the control surface locking pin and its REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT ribbon in place in his control column and flew the airplane with the trim tab controls until he got the locking pin removed. Sooooo, you old successful surviving pilots, what do you think the odds were for pulling that event off? Cheers, Ol' Bob --part1_159.184723b1.2b1c4309_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of months ago I asked a mundane question about subject locks. The question drew a number of responses but before I could follow up, my computer crashed, I lost all the comments, and the topic got lost in the cracks.

The list has been very quiet lately so I thought it might be a good time to try and pick up the pieces.

For years I've wondered from time to time about an unusual experience I had while substituting for the RO of a strange crew. My wonder was concerned chiefly with my chance of surviving that flight.

It was on a cold, dark, foggy morning. At the mission briefing the pilots were ordered to take off and maintain their runway heading, a specific airspeed, and a specific rate of climb until breaking out in the clear at about 20,000 feet. Although I could not see the ground during the takeoff roll, I felt the wheels leave the runway and I sensed that we immediately went into a steeply banked turn. I further sensed that we did a 360 before the plane leveled off and started to climb out.

Because of the proximity of other bases with 100s of planes taking off under the same circumstances, I was concerned with our straying from the specified course, needless to say, but relieved when we finally climbed out into the clear.

There was not a single comment about the event on the intercom but during interrogation after the mission the engineer explained to me, over a cup of Johnny Walker Red Label, that the pilot took off with the control surface locking pin and its REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT ribbon in place in his control column and flew the airplane with the trim tab controls until he got the locking pin removed.

Sooooo, you old successful surviving pilots, what do you think the odds were for pulling that event off?

Cheers, Ol' Bob --part1_159.184723b1.2b1c4309_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Dec 5 03:46:32 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:46:32 -1000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: Christmas Eve In-Reply-To: References: <20021204172735.6466.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20021204174632.00919320@ilhawaii.net> Bob Hand, Our crew also spent Christmas Eve, 1944, at Snetterton Heath, and I believe Jack Rencher did too. I had gotten married shortly before going overseas, so Bettie and I spent our first Christmas separated by 3000 or so miles. I remember being very blue while sitting in the Sergeant's Club nursing a beer and listening to Bing Crosby singing "I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas"on the juke box. On Christmas day another crew flew our plane on a mission (which was aborted). Most of our crew took a bus or truck to Molesworth and the pilot (Lt. Goodberlet) and I stayed and flew our plane back when it returned. Jim Walling At 07:25 PM 12/4/02 -0500, you wrote: >>On Dec.24 we bombed targets at Merzhausen and were headed back to Molesworth >when we were diverted because of weather to Snetterton Heath. >Good Cheer, Good Health and Spirits..Bob Hand > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Dec 5 05:49:09 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:49:09 EST Subject: [303rd-Talk] Control Surface Locks--Revisited Message-ID: Ol Bob, I wasn't going to answer anymore questions, unless someone asked me to but I don't want to start that until I answer this one. In my humble opinion If the gust lock was installed on take off the trim tab would have very little effect on the control surfaces and what little effect they would have would be just the opposite from their normal effect. Your drinking buddy was wrong. This just did not happen. No way. You had every right to be concerned with your safety. It is barely possible he could have pulled it off if only the alienors were locked but he would have to be heavy and fast on the rudder and perhaps the throttles and sharp on instruments and (lucky) to do that. I join with you in being thankful you are still with us. Best Wishes, Jack From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Dec 6 05:20:11 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (ryoung) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:20:11 -0800 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Control Surface Locks--Revisited References: Message-ID: <003b01c29ce7$27d16d10$c0604dd1@D4TT9F11> Jack Rencher - Your recent absence from the forum has been noted and your valuable input is missed. It will please all, I am certain, if you will resume sharing your experience, wit & wisdom on this 303rd talk site. My 2c worth & best regards - Rich Young ----------- > Ol Bob, > I wasn't going to answer anymore questions, unless someone asked me to > Best Wishes, > Jack > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 00:42:54 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:42:54 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 Message-ID: <3DF2331E.5240.2591082@localhost> Today is one of those days that are fixed in the memories of those who were old enough to know what was happening. This was a few years before my time, but my dad often told of hearing the news on the radio. I wish he were here now to tell what he was doing at the time. What were you doing 61 years ago when you heard the news of the bombing of Pearl Harbor? -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 00:45:50 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:45:50 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets Message-ID: <3DF233CE.25532.25BBFBC@localhost> Bob Hand, Thanks for the photos of your A-2 Jacket. I have it on the page now. Do any of you have A-2 jackets we can show? http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 02:28:34 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Owen) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:28:34 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dec.7, 1941 Message-ID: <000b01c29e61$84dbaa40$5668db40@billowen> Dec.7, 1941 I was 13 years old so I remember it well. I had just gone out into our back yard . A boy that lived two houses down from me came out into his yard. We did not have fences separating our yards like everybody has now. He yelled to me, "Hey, Bill, do you all have your radio on?" I said "No, why?" He replied that the Japs had just bombed Pearl Harbor and we were at war. I had no idea what or where Pearl Harbor was. We turned on the radio and listened to everything that was said for the next several days. My 18 year old brother, Burl, immediately started trying to convince my parents that he wanted to join the Army Air Corps. They held him off for a few months but he eventually talked them into letting him go. That's how he wound up with the 303rd at Molesworth in early 1943. Bill Owen From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 02:56:07 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bob Hand) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:56:07 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 In-Reply-To: <3DF2331E.5240.2591082@localhost> Message-ID: Hi Gary...here's one for you re/ 7 Dec.'41...I was technically still in an orphanage in Brooklyn when the radio stunned everyone wih the news. It sure scared the bejeezes out of me and when it got dark I packed all my belongings in a old suitcase and "skipped the joint" never to return. The rest is ancient history. Cheers, Bob Hand> From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 01:21:07 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:21:07 -1000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets In-Reply-To: <3DF233CE.25532.25BBFBC@localhost> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20021207152107.008bb270@ilhawaii.net> Vern, Where did you get the picture of Charles A. Mott in his A2 jacket? He was our Bombardier and we have been looking for him for years. We don't know if he is living or dead. Jim Walling At 05:45 PM 12/7/02 -0700, you wrote: >Bob Hand, >Thanks for the photos of your A-2 Jacket. I have it on the >page now. Do any of you have A-2 jackets we can show? >http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html > >-- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association > http://www.303rdBGA.com > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com > > > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 01:13:43 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Jones) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:13:43 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 In-Reply-To: <3DF2331E.5240.2591082@localhost> Message-ID: <3DF25677.31419.299C538@localhost> > Today is one of those days that are fixed in the memories of > those who were old enough to know what was happening. This was > a few years before my time, but my dad often told of hearing > the news on the radio. I wish he were here now to tell what he > was doing at the time. What were you doing 61 years ago when > you heard the news of the bombing of Pearl Harbor? One of the pictures I have that I found in one of my father's albums is http://wejones.ftdata.com/wejones/Tulsa1.jpg At the time he was in basic flying school. The picture is dated Dec 8 1941, ie the day after Pearl , and is signed by the other people in the picture, with things like "Watch the Japs", so I assume that everyone in training at the time assumed they'd be sent to the Pacific. Instead, my father spent more than 2 years as a flight instructor before joining the 303rd. But the picture always seemed special due to the date, and wondering what they must have been thinking at the time. Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net Main home page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones WWII/B-17 page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones/wwii.html From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 16:25:04 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:25:04 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021207152107.008bb270@ilhawaii.net> References: <3DF233CE.25532.25BBFBC@localhost> Message-ID: <3DF30FF0.13776.494691@localhost> > Where did you get the picture of Charles A. Mott in his A2 > jacket? He was our Bombardier and we have been looking for him > for years. We don't know if he is living or dead. Jim, That photo came from Harry Gobrecht's collection. We still show Mott as a missing comrade. I don't know if he is living or not. -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 17:53:27 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:53:27 EST Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #781 - 7 msgs Message-ID: <173.12932f5d.2b24e117@aol.com> --part1_173.12932f5d.2b24e117_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Walling Charles Mott and the officers of the Goodberlet Crew were my 358th BS roommates at Molesworth. Charles Mott was my good friend. He died several years ago according to your CoPilot Malcolm Magid I took the photo of Charles Mott in his A-2 Jacket on one of the few sunny days we had at Molesworth. The photo of me in my A-2 jacket was taken the same day by Charles Mott. Harry D. Gobrecht --part1_173.12932f5d.2b24e117_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Walling
Charles Mott and the officers of the Goodberlet Crew were my 358th BS roommates at  Molesworth.  Charles Mott was my good friend.  He died several years ago according to your CoPilot Malcolm Magid
I took the photo of Charles Mott in his A-2 Jacket on one of the few sunny days we had at Molesworth.  The photo of me in my A-2 jacket was taken the same day by Charles Mott.
Harry D. Gobrecht --part1_173.12932f5d.2b24e117_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 9 01:52:59 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Maurice Paulk) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:52:59 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dec. 7 - Where were you? Message-ID: <002601c29f25$b5fda320$2bbb9ace@mjpmtman> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C29EF3.69427600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My wife to be ate dinner after churchwith my family. In the afternoon we = went for a ride - [.22 pistol on the seat - just incase we saw a = jack-rabbit].when we heard the annoucement on the radio. Dec * I went to = Omah {Nebr.] Welding School.Graduated in March & enlisted March 17.'42. Ironically we were on the road to Minnesota to see a 303rd friend on = Sept 11 and listened to the report all the way there. Yours In Memories ---Maurice J. Paulk ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C29EF3.69427600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My wife to be ate dinner after = churchwith my=20 family. In the afternoon we went for a ride - [.22 pistol on the = seat -=20 just incase we saw a jack-rabbit].when we heard the annoucement on the = radio.=20 Dec * I went to Omah {Nebr.] Welding School.Graduated in March=20 &  enlisted March 17.'42.
Ironically we were on the road to = Minnesota to see=20 a 303rd friend on Sept 11 and listened to the report all the way=20 there.
Yours In Memories ---Maurice J.=20 Paulk
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C29EF3.69427600-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 9 02:03:04 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Rose & Herb Shanker) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:03:04 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #781 - 7 msgs References: <20021208170308.B43A153630@pairlist.net> Message-ID: <000901c29f27$1d8a50a0$0000a398@SHANK> Re: December 7, 1941. I was at the home of one of my cousins who is 10 weeks older than I am. We were listening to the NY Giant - Brooklyn Dodger football game when the announcement was made of the attack on Pearl Harbor. On VJ Day we were together in Hattiesburg, Miss. I had become a propeller specialist after returning from England and was stationed At Gulfport, Miss,which had become a B-29 OTU. My cousin was an oft wounded infantry medic in the 95th Division of the 3rd Army which had been shipped to Camp Shelby in Hattiesburg after VE Day. I had searched him out when I heard that he was coming to Shelby and I was with him on that momentous day. I've often thought that this would be a good story for Ripley. The odds against this happening would be far off the charts. Herb Shanker ----- Original Message ----- From: <303rd-Talk-request@303rdBGA.com> To: <303rd-Talk@303rdBGA.com> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #781 - 7 msgs > Send 303rd-Talk mailing list submissions to > 303rd-Talk@303rdBGA.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/303rd-Talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > 303rd-Talk-request@303rdBGA.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > 303rd-Talk-admin@303rdBGA.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of 303rd-Talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. December 7, 1941 (Gary Moncur) > 2. A-2 Jackets (Gary Moncur) > 3. Dec.7, 1941 (Bill Owen) > 4. Re: December 7, 1941 (Bob Hand) > 5. Re: A-2 Jackets (jimwall@ilhawaii.net) > 6. Re: December 7, 1941 (Bill Jones) > 7. Re: A-2 Jackets (Gary Moncur) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Gary Moncur" > Organization: 303rd BGA > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:42:54 -0700 > Subject: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > Today is one of those days that are fixed in the memories of > those who were old enough to know what was happening. This was > a few years before my time, but my dad often told of hearing > the news on the radio. I wish he were here now to tell what he > was doing at the time. What were you doing 61 years ago when > you heard the news of the bombing of Pearl Harbor? > > -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association > http://www.303rdBGA.com > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Gary Moncur" > Organization: 303rd BGA > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:45:50 -0700 > Cc: Pilot8thAF@aol.com > Subject: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > Bob Hand, > Thanks for the photos of your A-2 Jacket. I have it on the > page now. Do any of you have A-2 jackets we can show? > http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html > > -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association > http://www.303rdBGA.com > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Bill Owen" > To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> > Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:28:34 -0600 > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dec.7, 1941 > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > Dec.7, 1941 > > I was 13 years old so I remember it well. I had just gone out into our back > yard . A boy that lived two houses down from me came out into his yard. We > did not have fences separating our yards like everybody has now. He yelled > to me, "Hey, Bill, do you all have your radio on?" I said "No, why?" He > replied that the Japs had just bombed Pearl Harbor and we were at war. I had > no idea what or where Pearl Harbor was. We turned on the radio and listened > to everything that was said for the next several days. > > My 18 year old brother, Burl, immediately started trying to convince my > parents that he wanted to join the Army Air Corps. They held him off for a > few months but he eventually talked them into letting him go. That's how he > wound up with the 303rd at Molesworth in early 1943. > > Bill Owen > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:56:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 > From: Bob Hand > To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > Hi Gary...here's one for you re/ 7 Dec.'41...I was technically still in an > orphanage in Brooklyn when the radio stunned everyone wih the news. It sure > scared the bejeezes out of me and when it got dark I packed all my > belongings in a old suitcase and "skipped the joint" never to return. > The rest is ancient history. Cheers, Bob Hand> > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:21:07 -1000 > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > From: jimwall@ilhawaii.net > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > Vern, > > Where did you get the picture of Charles A. Mott in his A2 jacket? He was our Bombardier and we have been looking for him for years. We don't know if he is living or dead. > > Jim Walling > > > > > At 05:45 PM 12/7/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Bob Hand, > >Thanks for the photos of your A-2 Jacket. I have it on the > >page now. Do any of you have A-2 jackets we can show? > >http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html > > > >-- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association > > http://www.303rdBGA.com > > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com > > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Bill Jones" > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:13:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > > > > Today is one of those days that are fixed in the memories of > > those who were old enough to know what was happening. This was > > a few years before my time, but my dad often told of hearing > > the news on the radio. I wish he were here now to tell what he > > was doing at the time. What were you doing 61 years ago when > > you heard the news of the bombing of Pearl Harbor? > > One of the pictures I have that I found in one of my father's albums > is > http://wejones.ftdata.com/wejones/Tulsa1.jpg > > At the time he was in basic flying school. The picture is dated > Dec 8 1941, ie the day after Pearl , and is signed by the other > people in the picture, with things like "Watch the Japs", so I assume > that everyone in training at the time assumed they'd be sent to the > Pacific. Instead, my father spent more than 2 years as a flight > instructor before joining the 303rd. > > But the picture always seemed special due to the date, and wondering > what they must have been thinking at the time. > > > > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net > > Main home page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > WWII/B-17 page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones/wwii.html > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: "Gary Moncur" > Organization: 303rd BGA > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:25:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > > Where did you get the picture of Charles A. Mott in his A2 > > jacket? He was our Bombardier and we have been looking for him > > for years. We don't know if he is living or dead. > > Jim, > That photo came from Harry Gobrecht's collection. We still > show Mott as a missing comrade. I don't know if he is living > or not. > > -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association > http://www.303rdBGA.com > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBGA.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/303rd-Talk > > > End of 303rd-Talk Digest From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 9 04:18:29 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Leroy Audrey) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:18:29 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Fw: Dec.7, 1941 Message-ID: <001501c29f3a$09077b40$18ac7618@ce1.client2.attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29F07.BC9712C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Leroy Audrey=20 To: 303rd BGA talk molesworth=20 Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Dec.7, 1941 It was Sunday and the day after a Saturday night out on the town. Not = really! Five of us good buddies from high school, now at college had = gathered to attend a big band show at a downtown show house in = Minnepolis. the bands performed during the breack between the first = feature and the late night feature film. The band, Jimmy Dorsey with = lead singer Helen O'conell. That Sunday afternoon I was in the = downstairs living room of my buddies home paging thru the sports section = of the Sunday paper, the other guys were upstairs talking and two were = packing to return to St John's U that night. The radio was on and I = think it was a network music broadcast when the program was interrrupted = twith the news of the attack. I rushed upstairs to tell the others, = there was silence, I quess we knew the future, in the next year we would = be registering for the draft. By early 1943 all five were in military = service. One ended up in a radar installation in Panama, one an = ex-officer on a navy transport, one as an instructor in a navy radar = training school, my buddy, a P-38 pilot in Ephrata, WA. were a = training accident took his life and I in the 303rd, 359th Sqdn as a = navigator.That day changed the course of our lives. LeRoy Christenson ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29F07.BC9712C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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From: Leroy=20 Audrey
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:34 PM
Subject: Dec.7, 1941

It was Sunday and the day after a = Saturday night=20 out on the town. Not really!  Five of us good buddies from high = school, now=20 at college had gathered to attend a big band show at a downtown show = house in=20 Minnepolis. the bands performed during the breack between the first = feature and=20 the late night feature film.  The band, Jimmy Dorsey with lead = singer Helen=20 O'conell. That Sunday afternoon I was in the downstairs living room = of my=20 buddies home paging thru the sports section of the Sunday paper, the = other guys=20 were upstairs talking and two were packing to return to St John's U that = night.=20 The radio was on and I think it was a network music broadcast when the = program=20 was interrrupted twith the news of the attack. I rushed upstairs to tell = the=20 others, there was silence, I quess we knew the future, in the next year = we would=20 be registering for the draft. By early 1943 all five were in military=20 service.  One ended up in a radar installation in Panama,  one = an=20 ex-officer on a navy transport, one as an instructor in a navy radar = training=20 school, my buddy, a  P-38 pilot in Ephrata,  WA. were a = training=20 accident took his life and I in the 303rd, 359th Sqdn as a = navigator.That day=20 changed the course of our lives.
LeRoy=20 Christenson
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29F07.BC9712C0-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 9 04:53:08 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:53:08 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] SPIDERS A2 Message-ID: <3DF3BF44.16703.2F640FB@localhost> This is from Spider Smith. Graphics don't work on the list, so I intercepted the message and am resending it. Spider's A-2 Jacket is now online with the others here: http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html Spider, I accidently deleted your follow-up message to this one. Please resend it. Sorry! ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "spider" To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Subject: SPIDERS A2 Date sent: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:52:01 -0800 Forwarded to: 303rd-talk-owner@303rdBGA.com Date forwarded: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:35:48 -0500 (EST) Forwarded by: 303rd-talk-admin@303rdBGA.com HI GARY AND ALL: HERE IS A SHOT OF MY A2 JACKET WHICH I PAINTED THE LOGOS ON WHEN I RETURNED FROM OVERSEAS IN MAY OF 1945. I USED MODEL AIRPLANE DOPE AND IT HELD UP PRETTY GOOD. THE JACKET DOEENT FIT ANY MORE BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY CALL ME SPIDER I'M NOT THET SKINNEY ANY MORE. AS FOR PEARL HARBOR DAY , I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO GO DOWN TO THE SODA FOUNTAIN WHERE WE WENT TO CHASE GIRLS. THE NEWS WAS A REAL SHOCK AND I WANTED TO QUIT HIGH SCHOOL"SENIOR" BUT MY DAD WOULDN'T LET ME . JOINED UP IN DECEMBER OF 1942 AND WAS CALLED UP IN MARCH OF 43. WENT TO ATLANTIC CITY FER BASIC TRAINING AND THEN TO PEN STATE FOR COLLEGE TRAINING.GRADUATED FROM PILOT TRAINING IN FEB 44 AND WAS IN MOLESWORTH IN MAY44. DICK "SPIDER" SMITH -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 9 16:53:18 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Pierce, Gregory S) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:53:18 -0800 Subject: [303rd-Talk] RE: 303rd-Talk digest, ME 262 replica Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FA3.79726200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As most of you know I head up the 8th AFHS Washington state. =20 North of Seattle is the town of Everett, for several years a small = company has been in the process of making replicas of the first combat jet (the German ME 262). The US = Navy loaned them their original captured during the later part of WWII. While restoring the original = they copied it and are very close to flying their replica (the first time in 50 some odd years that this = design will take flight). =20 I took my boys up last Friday to look at the replica bird. A number of = the old B-17 guys recalled encounters with this jet, most said it stood off and fired rockets into the = formation. Some veterans said it would make one fast pass with the four 30 mm blazing away. One veteran recalled if = 262's were encounter P-51's would circle the Germans airbase and wait for the 262 to come in for a approach and = shoot it down. =20 Hitler original wanted the 262 as a fighter bomber instead of just a = fighter/interceptor, many a B-17 pilot was happy for Hitler's decision/strategic blunder, this delayed them being = used against out bombers thus many B-17/B-24 pilots and crews are alive today. =20 The orginal and replica 262 could reach top speeds of 530-550 mph. Due = to the large aerodynamic design of the jet intakes the 262 will never = break the sound barrier.=20 =20 Here are some pic's. 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Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:46:41 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] (Fwd) SPIDERS A2 Message-ID: <3DF35B51.26664.16FC526@localhost> This is from Spider Smith. Graphics don't work on the list, so I intercepted the message and am resending it. Spider's A-2 Jacket is now online with the others here: http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html Spider, I accidently deleted your follow-up message to this one. Please resend it. Sorry! ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "spider" To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Subject: SPIDERS A2 Date sent: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:52:01 -0800 Forwarded to: 303rd-talk-owner@303rdBGA.com Date forwarded: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:35:48 -0500 (EST) Forwarded by: 303rd-talk-admin@303rdBGA.com HI GARY AND ALL: HERE IS A SHOT OF MY A2 JACKET WHICH I PAINTED THE LOGOS ON WHEN I RETURNED FROM OVERSEAS IN MAY OF 1945. I USED MODEL AIRPLANE DOPE AND IT HELD UP PRETTY GOOD. THE JACKET DOEENT FIT ANY MORE BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY CALL ME SPIDER I'M NOT THET SKINNEY ANY MORE. AS FOR PEARL HARBOR DAY , I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO GO DOWN TO THE SODA FOUNTAIN WHERE WE WENT TO CHASE GIRLS. THE NEWS WAS A REAL SHOCK AND I WANTED TO QUIT HIGH SCHOOL"SENIOR" BUT MY DAD WOULDN'T LET ME . JOINED UP IN DECEMBER OF 1942 AND WAS CALLED UP IN MARCH OF 43. WENT TO ATLANTIC CITY FER BASIC TRAINING AND THEN TO PEN STATE FOR COLLEGE TRAINING.GRADUATED FROM PILOT TRAINING IN FEB 44 AND WAS IN MOLESWORTH IN MAY44. DICK "SPIDER" SMITH ------- End of forwarded message --------- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 21:58:27 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:58:27 EST Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd-Talk digest, December 7 Message-ID: <18b.12ac67c9.2b251a83@aol.com> --part1_18b.12ac67c9.2b251a83_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi to all, I was in the Infantry, a Sgt., and was attending a movie in Fort Worth, Texas. The theater was the Worth and the movie was "Sgt. York." The movie was stopped and I guess it was the theater manager came onto the stage and announced that the Japanese had attacked Pearl Harbor and that we probably were at war with Japan. The audience applauded, but I could not understand why they were so pleased with the announcement. Before the end of the month our Regiment was on the way to the West coast, destination unknown. We ended up in Washington State. I entered the Army Air Corps later that year, 1942. Bill D. --part1_18b.12ac67c9.2b251a83_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi to all,
I was in the Infantry, a Sgt., and was attending a movie in Fort Worth, Texas. The theater was the Worth and the movie was "Sgt. York." The movie was stopped and I guess it was the theater manager came onto the stage and announced that the Japanese had attacked Pearl Harbor and that we probably were at war with Japan. The audience applauded, but I could not understand why they were so pleased with the announcement. Before the end of the month our Regiment was on the way to the West coast, destination unknown. We ended up in Washington State. I entered the Army Air Corps later that year, 1942.
Bill D.  --part1_18b.12ac67c9.2b251a83_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 22:21:17 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:21:17 EST Subject: [303rd-Talk] (no subject) Message-ID: <7d.31eb5148.2b251fdd@aol.com> --part1_7d.31eb5148.2b251fdd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In answer to the question, where were you on Pearl Harbor Day? I was at home on leave from my army base at westover field, Mass. I remember the message coming over the radio for all military personnel to return to base imediatley. Lots of people were stunned at the hearing of that message that the Japs had bombed Pearl Harbor. --part1_7d.31eb5148.2b251fdd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In answer to the question, where were you on Pearl Harbor Day? I was at home on leave from my army base at westover field, Mass. I remember the message coming over the radio for all military personnel to return to base imediatley. Lots of people were stunned at the hearing of that message that the Japs had bombed Pearl Harbor. --part1_7d.31eb5148.2b251fdd_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 9 19:00:42 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Drewry, Duke) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:00:42 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] (no subject) Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FB5.4582E370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dad was at Hickam Field; at first he thought it was the flight of B17s coming in so he went outside with his camera. (Gary has a copy of one of the pictures he took to be posted). I remember him saying all they could do was break into the armory and use the rifles to fire at the Japanese planes. Were any of you other 303rd members there that day? =20 Duke Drewry ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FB5.4582E370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Da= d was at Hickam Field; at first he thought it was the flight of B17s coming in so = he went outside with his camera. (Gary has a copy of one of the pictures he = took to be posted).  I remember = him saying all they could do was break into the armory and use the rifles to = fire at the Japanese planes.

We= re any of you other 303rd members there that = day?

 

Du= ke Drewry

------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FB5.4582E370-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 9 19:36:50 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:36:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [303rd-Talk] ME 262 replica In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021209193650.89327.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Greg: Thanks for posting the information on the 262! What a project that must have been. Any idea what engines are being used on the reproduction, and is it a full-size reproduction? When the Allies over ran the Low Countries and Germany, hundreds of 262 airframes were discovered. Apparently the Germans could not acquire enough titanium to make the impeller blades for the Juno engines. I've also read that at the end of the war the 262s were using the Autobohn as airstrips since our boys had decimated most of the German airfields. Greg, have you got an address or phone for the guys building the 262. I may be down there in the next couple of weeks and I'd like to pay them a visit. Kevin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Dec 10 00:04:46 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:04:46 EST Subject: [303rd-Talk] Member has Passed Message-ID: <14c.1897d092.2b26899e@aol.com> Gentlemen, another member of the 303rd passed away November 11. Merlin Miller was a tail gunner on the Visious Virgin on Hullar's plane in the 427th BS. Merlin helped write Three Engines, Half a Wing and a Prayer. Terry Lucas From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Dec 10 02:02:27 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Brian McGuire) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:02:27 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Member has Passed Message-ID:

Merlin is memorialized by a large framed display hanging up at RAF Molesworth. It contains a copy of a painting he did, a letter from Merlin, long text describing his service, and several pictures donated by Brian O'Neill. He freely offered me help when I was at Molesworth.
He was a gentleman as well as a hero.

Brian S. McGuire
>From: Thor542086@aol.com
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>To: 303rd-talk@303rdbga.com
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>Gentlemen, another member of the 303rd passed away November 11. Merlin Miller
>was a tail gunner on the Visious Virgin on Hullar's plane in the 427th BS.
>Merlin helped write Three Engines, Half a Wing and a Prayer.
>Terry Lucas

MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Dec 4 17:27:35 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:27:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [303rd-Talk] Favorite Christmas Memory at Molesworth In-Reply-To: <73820278-0341-11D7-B81B-0003937677B4@cox.net> Message-ID: <20021204172735.6466.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> What is your favorite memory from the Christmas Season at Molesworth? I have heard some Groups held Christmas parties for children living near the bases - did anything like this occur at the 303rd. What were your favorite Christmas songs from the era? Kevin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Dec 4 18:18:40 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:18:40 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets Message-ID: <3DEDE490.29.6162F7@localhost> I have added the few A-2 Jackets I have photos of to a new page here: http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html If you would like to have your jacket added, please contact me at glm@303rdBGA.com This page should be a lot of fun. Thanks! -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Dec 5 00:25:26 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bob Hand) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:25:26 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: Christmas Eve In-Reply-To: <20021204172735.6466.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >On Dec.24 we bombed targets at Merzhausen and were headed back to Molesworth when we were diverted because of weather to Snetterton Heath. I fell in with the festivities at the base and lost track of time and was left with no barracks or bed and/or blanket, etc. By this time the well known pot bellied stoves had burned themselves out and it wasn't getting any warmer. I gently lifted a blanket from over 4 or 5 sleeping airmen and fashioned a sack on the floor with my head next to the stove and fell fast asleep. Sometime in the night a person wearing heavy shoes was making his way to the john in the dark and not seeing all that well accidentally kicked me full force in the head. By the time I got back from First Aid my blankets were gone and I spent the rest of Christmas Eve sleeping in a chair in the day room. Favorite song was Opus Number One, by Tommy Dorsey, I believe. The first 8 bars were sure to get your attention. Speaking of Christmas...by all means, HAVE A HAPPY !!!! Good Cheer, Good Health and Spirits..Bob Hand From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 2 05:00:57 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:00:57 EST Subject: [303rd-Talk] Control Surface Locks--Revisited Message-ID: <159.184723b1.2b1c4309@aol.com> --part1_159.184723b1.2b1c4309_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of months ago I asked a mundane question about subject locks. The question drew a number of responses but before I could follow up, my computer crashed, I lost all the comments, and the topic got lost in the cracks. The list has been very quiet lately so I thought it might be a good time to try and pick up the pieces. For years I've wondered from time to time about an unusual experience I had while substituting for the RO of a strange crew. My wonder was concerned chiefly with my chance of surviving that flight. It was on a cold, dark, foggy morning. At the mission briefing the pilots were ordered to take off and maintain their runway heading, a specific airspeed, and a specific rate of climb until breaking out in the clear at about 20,000 feet. Although I could not see the ground during the takeoff roll, I felt the wheels leave the runway and I sensed that we immediately went into a steeply banked turn. I further sensed that we did a 360 before the plane leveled off and started to climb out. Because of the proximity of other bases with 100s of planes taking off under the same circumstances, I was concerned with our straying from the specified course, needless to say, but relieved when we finally climbed out into the clear. There was not a single comment about the event on the intercom but during interrogation after the mission the engineer explained to me, over a cup of Johnny Walker Red Label, that the pilot took off with the control surface locking pin and its REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT ribbon in place in his control column and flew the airplane with the trim tab controls until he got the locking pin removed. Sooooo, you old successful surviving pilots, what do you think the odds were for pulling that event off? Cheers, Ol' Bob --part1_159.184723b1.2b1c4309_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of months ago I asked a mundane question about subject locks. The question drew a number of responses but before I could follow up, my computer crashed, I lost all the comments, and the topic got lost in the cracks.

The list has been very quiet lately so I thought it might be a good time to try and pick up the pieces.

For years I've wondered from time to time about an unusual experience I had while substituting for the RO of a strange crew. My wonder was concerned chiefly with my chance of surviving that flight.

It was on a cold, dark, foggy morning. At the mission briefing the pilots were ordered to take off and maintain their runway heading, a specific airspeed, and a specific rate of climb until breaking out in the clear at about 20,000 feet. Although I could not see the ground during the takeoff roll, I felt the wheels leave the runway and I sensed that we immediately went into a steeply banked turn. I further sensed that we did a 360 before the plane leveled off and started to climb out.

Because of the proximity of other bases with 100s of planes taking off under the same circumstances, I was concerned with our straying from the specified course, needless to say, but relieved when we finally climbed out into the clear.

There was not a single comment about the event on the intercom but during interrogation after the mission the engineer explained to me, over a cup of Johnny Walker Red Label, that the pilot took off with the control surface locking pin and its REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT ribbon in place in his control column and flew the airplane with the trim tab controls until he got the locking pin removed.

Sooooo, you old successful surviving pilots, what do you think the odds were for pulling that event off?

Cheers, Ol' Bob --part1_159.184723b1.2b1c4309_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Dec 5 03:46:32 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:46:32 -1000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: Christmas Eve In-Reply-To: References: <20021204172735.6466.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20021204174632.00919320@ilhawaii.net> Bob Hand, Our crew also spent Christmas Eve, 1944, at Snetterton Heath, and I believe Jack Rencher did too. I had gotten married shortly before going overseas, so Bettie and I spent our first Christmas separated by 3000 or so miles. I remember being very blue while sitting in the Sergeant's Club nursing a beer and listening to Bing Crosby singing "I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas"on the juke box. On Christmas day another crew flew our plane on a mission (which was aborted). Most of our crew took a bus or truck to Molesworth and the pilot (Lt. Goodberlet) and I stayed and flew our plane back when it returned. Jim Walling At 07:25 PM 12/4/02 -0500, you wrote: >>On Dec.24 we bombed targets at Merzhausen and were headed back to Molesworth >when we were diverted because of weather to Snetterton Heath. >Good Cheer, Good Health and Spirits..Bob Hand > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Dec 5 05:49:09 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:49:09 EST Subject: [303rd-Talk] Control Surface Locks--Revisited Message-ID: Ol Bob, I wasn't going to answer anymore questions, unless someone asked me to but I don't want to start that until I answer this one. In my humble opinion If the gust lock was installed on take off the trim tab would have very little effect on the control surfaces and what little effect they would have would be just the opposite from their normal effect. Your drinking buddy was wrong. This just did not happen. No way. You had every right to be concerned with your safety. It is barely possible he could have pulled it off if only the alienors were locked but he would have to be heavy and fast on the rudder and perhaps the throttles and sharp on instruments and (lucky) to do that. I join with you in being thankful you are still with us. Best Wishes, Jack From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Dec 6 05:20:11 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (ryoung) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:20:11 -0800 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Control Surface Locks--Revisited References: Message-ID: <003b01c29ce7$27d16d10$c0604dd1@D4TT9F11> Jack Rencher - Your recent absence from the forum has been noted and your valuable input is missed. It will please all, I am certain, if you will resume sharing your experience, wit & wisdom on this 303rd talk site. My 2c worth & best regards - Rich Young ----------- > Ol Bob, > I wasn't going to answer anymore questions, unless someone asked me to > Best Wishes, > Jack > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 00:42:54 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:42:54 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 Message-ID: <3DF2331E.5240.2591082@localhost> Today is one of those days that are fixed in the memories of those who were old enough to know what was happening. This was a few years before my time, but my dad often told of hearing the news on the radio. I wish he were here now to tell what he was doing at the time. What were you doing 61 years ago when you heard the news of the bombing of Pearl Harbor? -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 00:45:50 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:45:50 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets Message-ID: <3DF233CE.25532.25BBFBC@localhost> Bob Hand, Thanks for the photos of your A-2 Jacket. I have it on the page now. Do any of you have A-2 jackets we can show? http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 02:28:34 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Owen) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:28:34 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dec.7, 1941 Message-ID: <000b01c29e61$84dbaa40$5668db40@billowen> Dec.7, 1941 I was 13 years old so I remember it well. I had just gone out into our back yard . A boy that lived two houses down from me came out into his yard. We did not have fences separating our yards like everybody has now. He yelled to me, "Hey, Bill, do you all have your radio on?" I said "No, why?" He replied that the Japs had just bombed Pearl Harbor and we were at war. I had no idea what or where Pearl Harbor was. We turned on the radio and listened to everything that was said for the next several days. My 18 year old brother, Burl, immediately started trying to convince my parents that he wanted to join the Army Air Corps. They held him off for a few months but he eventually talked them into letting him go. That's how he wound up with the 303rd at Molesworth in early 1943. Bill Owen From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 02:56:07 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bob Hand) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:56:07 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 In-Reply-To: <3DF2331E.5240.2591082@localhost> Message-ID: Hi Gary...here's one for you re/ 7 Dec.'41...I was technically still in an orphanage in Brooklyn when the radio stunned everyone wih the news. It sure scared the bejeezes out of me and when it got dark I packed all my belongings in a old suitcase and "skipped the joint" never to return. The rest is ancient history. Cheers, Bob Hand> From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 01:21:07 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:21:07 -1000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets In-Reply-To: <3DF233CE.25532.25BBFBC@localhost> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20021207152107.008bb270@ilhawaii.net> Vern, Where did you get the picture of Charles A. Mott in his A2 jacket? He was our Bombardier and we have been looking for him for years. We don't know if he is living or dead. Jim Walling At 05:45 PM 12/7/02 -0700, you wrote: >Bob Hand, >Thanks for the photos of your A-2 Jacket. I have it on the >page now. Do any of you have A-2 jackets we can show? >http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html > >-- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association > http://www.303rdBGA.com > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com > > > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 01:13:43 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Jones) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:13:43 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 In-Reply-To: <3DF2331E.5240.2591082@localhost> Message-ID: <3DF25677.31419.299C538@localhost> > Today is one of those days that are fixed in the memories of > those who were old enough to know what was happening. This was > a few years before my time, but my dad often told of hearing > the news on the radio. I wish he were here now to tell what he > was doing at the time. What were you doing 61 years ago when > you heard the news of the bombing of Pearl Harbor? One of the pictures I have that I found in one of my father's albums is http://wejones.ftdata.com/wejones/Tulsa1.jpg At the time he was in basic flying school. The picture is dated Dec 8 1941, ie the day after Pearl , and is signed by the other people in the picture, with things like "Watch the Japs", so I assume that everyone in training at the time assumed they'd be sent to the Pacific. Instead, my father spent more than 2 years as a flight instructor before joining the 303rd. But the picture always seemed special due to the date, and wondering what they must have been thinking at the time. Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net Main home page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones WWII/B-17 page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones/wwii.html From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 16:25:04 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:25:04 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021207152107.008bb270@ilhawaii.net> References: <3DF233CE.25532.25BBFBC@localhost> Message-ID: <3DF30FF0.13776.494691@localhost> > Where did you get the picture of Charles A. Mott in his A2 > jacket? He was our Bombardier and we have been looking for him > for years. We don't know if he is living or dead. Jim, That photo came from Harry Gobrecht's collection. We still show Mott as a missing comrade. I don't know if he is living or not. -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Dec 8 17:53:27 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:53:27 EST Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #781 - 7 msgs Message-ID: <173.12932f5d.2b24e117@aol.com> --part1_173.12932f5d.2b24e117_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Walling Charles Mott and the officers of the Goodberlet Crew were my 358th BS roommates at Molesworth. Charles Mott was my good friend. He died several years ago according to your CoPilot Malcolm Magid I took the photo of Charles Mott in his A-2 Jacket on one of the few sunny days we had at Molesworth. The photo of me in my A-2 jacket was taken the same day by Charles Mott. Harry D. Gobrecht --part1_173.12932f5d.2b24e117_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Walling
Charles Mott and the officers of the Goodberlet Crew were my 358th BS roommates at  Molesworth.  Charles Mott was my good friend.  He died several years ago according to your CoPilot Malcolm Magid
I took the photo of Charles Mott in his A-2 Jacket on one of the few sunny days we had at Molesworth.  The photo of me in my A-2 jacket was taken the same day by Charles Mott.
Harry D. Gobrecht --part1_173.12932f5d.2b24e117_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 9 01:52:59 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Maurice Paulk) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:52:59 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dec. 7 - Where were you? Message-ID: <002601c29f25$b5fda320$2bbb9ace@mjpmtman> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C29EF3.69427600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My wife to be ate dinner after churchwith my family. In the afternoon we = went for a ride - [.22 pistol on the seat - just incase we saw a = jack-rabbit].when we heard the annoucement on the radio. Dec * I went to = Omah {Nebr.] Welding School.Graduated in March & enlisted March 17.'42. Ironically we were on the road to Minnesota to see a 303rd friend on = Sept 11 and listened to the report all the way there. Yours In Memories ---Maurice J. Paulk ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C29EF3.69427600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My wife to be ate dinner after = churchwith my=20 family. In the afternoon we went for a ride - [.22 pistol on the = seat -=20 just incase we saw a jack-rabbit].when we heard the annoucement on the = radio.=20 Dec * I went to Omah {Nebr.] Welding School.Graduated in March=20 &  enlisted March 17.'42.
Ironically we were on the road to = Minnesota to see=20 a 303rd friend on Sept 11 and listened to the report all the way=20 there.
Yours In Memories ---Maurice J.=20 Paulk
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C29EF3.69427600-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 9 02:03:04 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Rose & Herb Shanker) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:03:04 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #781 - 7 msgs References: <20021208170308.B43A153630@pairlist.net> Message-ID: <000901c29f27$1d8a50a0$0000a398@SHANK> Re: December 7, 1941. I was at the home of one of my cousins who is 10 weeks older than I am. We were listening to the NY Giant - Brooklyn Dodger football game when the announcement was made of the attack on Pearl Harbor. On VJ Day we were together in Hattiesburg, Miss. I had become a propeller specialist after returning from England and was stationed At Gulfport, Miss,which had become a B-29 OTU. My cousin was an oft wounded infantry medic in the 95th Division of the 3rd Army which had been shipped to Camp Shelby in Hattiesburg after VE Day. I had searched him out when I heard that he was coming to Shelby and I was with him on that momentous day. I've often thought that this would be a good story for Ripley. The odds against this happening would be far off the charts. Herb Shanker ----- Original Message ----- From: <303rd-Talk-request@303rdBGA.com> To: <303rd-Talk@303rdBGA.com> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #781 - 7 msgs > Send 303rd-Talk mailing list submissions to > 303rd-Talk@303rdBGA.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/303rd-Talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > 303rd-Talk-request@303rdBGA.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > 303rd-Talk-admin@303rdBGA.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of 303rd-Talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. December 7, 1941 (Gary Moncur) > 2. A-2 Jackets (Gary Moncur) > 3. Dec.7, 1941 (Bill Owen) > 4. Re: December 7, 1941 (Bob Hand) > 5. Re: A-2 Jackets (jimwall@ilhawaii.net) > 6. Re: December 7, 1941 (Bill Jones) > 7. Re: A-2 Jackets (Gary Moncur) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Gary Moncur" > Organization: 303rd BGA > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:42:54 -0700 > Subject: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > Today is one of those days that are fixed in the memories of > those who were old enough to know what was happening. This was > a few years before my time, but my dad often told of hearing > the news on the radio. I wish he were here now to tell what he > was doing at the time. What were you doing 61 years ago when > you heard the news of the bombing of Pearl Harbor? > > -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association > http://www.303rdBGA.com > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Gary Moncur" > Organization: 303rd BGA > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:45:50 -0700 > Cc: Pilot8thAF@aol.com > Subject: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > Bob Hand, > Thanks for the photos of your A-2 Jacket. I have it on the > page now. Do any of you have A-2 jackets we can show? > http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html > > -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association > http://www.303rdBGA.com > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Bill Owen" > To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> > Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:28:34 -0600 > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dec.7, 1941 > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > Dec.7, 1941 > > I was 13 years old so I remember it well. I had just gone out into our back > yard . A boy that lived two houses down from me came out into his yard. We > did not have fences separating our yards like everybody has now. He yelled > to me, "Hey, Bill, do you all have your radio on?" I said "No, why?" He > replied that the Japs had just bombed Pearl Harbor and we were at war. I had > no idea what or where Pearl Harbor was. We turned on the radio and listened > to everything that was said for the next several days. > > My 18 year old brother, Burl, immediately started trying to convince my > parents that he wanted to join the Army Air Corps. They held him off for a > few months but he eventually talked them into letting him go. That's how he > wound up with the 303rd at Molesworth in early 1943. > > Bill Owen > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:56:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 > From: Bob Hand > To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > Hi Gary...here's one for you re/ 7 Dec.'41...I was technically still in an > orphanage in Brooklyn when the radio stunned everyone wih the news. It sure > scared the bejeezes out of me and when it got dark I packed all my > belongings in a old suitcase and "skipped the joint" never to return. > The rest is ancient history. Cheers, Bob Hand> > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:21:07 -1000 > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > From: jimwall@ilhawaii.net > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > Vern, > > Where did you get the picture of Charles A. Mott in his A2 jacket? He was our Bombardier and we have been looking for him for years. We don't know if he is living or dead. > > Jim Walling > > > > > At 05:45 PM 12/7/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Bob Hand, > >Thanks for the photos of your A-2 Jacket. I have it on the > >page now. Do any of you have A-2 jackets we can show? > >http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html > > > >-- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association > > http://www.303rdBGA.com > > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com > > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Bill Jones" > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:13:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] December 7, 1941 > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > > > > Today is one of those days that are fixed in the memories of > > those who were old enough to know what was happening. This was > > a few years before my time, but my dad often told of hearing > > the news on the radio. I wish he were here now to tell what he > > was doing at the time. What were you doing 61 years ago when > > you heard the news of the bombing of Pearl Harbor? > > One of the pictures I have that I found in one of my father's albums > is > http://wejones.ftdata.com/wejones/Tulsa1.jpg > > At the time he was in basic flying school. The picture is dated > Dec 8 1941, ie the day after Pearl , and is signed by the other > people in the picture, with things like "Watch the Japs", so I assume > that everyone in training at the time assumed they'd be sent to the > Pacific. Instead, my father spent more than 2 years as a flight > instructor before joining the 303rd. > > But the picture always seemed special due to the date, and wondering > what they must have been thinking at the time. > > > > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net > > Main home page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > WWII/B-17 page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones/wwii.html > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: "Gary Moncur" > Organization: 303rd BGA > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:25:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] A-2 Jackets > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > > Where did you get the picture of Charles A. Mott in his A2 > > jacket? He was our Bombardier and we have been looking for him > > for years. We don't know if he is living or dead. > > Jim, > That photo came from Harry Gobrecht's collection. We still > show Mott as a missing comrade. I don't know if he is living > or not. > > -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association > http://www.303rdBGA.com > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBGA.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/303rd-Talk > > > End of 303rd-Talk Digest From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 9 04:18:29 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Leroy Audrey) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:18:29 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Fw: Dec.7, 1941 Message-ID: <001501c29f3a$09077b40$18ac7618@ce1.client2.attbi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29F07.BC9712C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Leroy Audrey=20 To: 303rd BGA talk molesworth=20 Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Dec.7, 1941 It was Sunday and the day after a Saturday night out on the town. Not = really! Five of us good buddies from high school, now at college had = gathered to attend a big band show at a downtown show house in = Minnepolis. the bands performed during the breack between the first = feature and the late night feature film. The band, Jimmy Dorsey with = lead singer Helen O'conell. That Sunday afternoon I was in the = downstairs living room of my buddies home paging thru the sports section = of the Sunday paper, the other guys were upstairs talking and two were = packing to return to St John's U that night. The radio was on and I = think it was a network music broadcast when the program was interrrupted = twith the news of the attack. I rushed upstairs to tell the others, = there was silence, I quess we knew the future, in the next year we would = be registering for the draft. By early 1943 all five were in military = service. One ended up in a radar installation in Panama, one an = ex-officer on a navy transport, one as an instructor in a navy radar = training school, my buddy, a P-38 pilot in Ephrata, WA. were a = training accident took his life and I in the 303rd, 359th Sqdn as a = navigator.That day changed the course of our lives. LeRoy Christenson ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29F07.BC9712C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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It was Sunday and the day after a = Saturday night=20 out on the town. Not really!  Five of us good buddies from high = school, now=20 at college had gathered to attend a big band show at a downtown show = house in=20 Minnepolis. the bands performed during the breack between the first = feature and=20 the late night feature film.  The band, Jimmy Dorsey with lead = singer Helen=20 O'conell. That Sunday afternoon I was in the downstairs living room = of my=20 buddies home paging thru the sports section of the Sunday paper, the = other guys=20 were upstairs talking and two were packing to return to St John's U that = night.=20 The radio was on and I think it was a network music broadcast when the = program=20 was interrrupted twith the news of the attack. I rushed upstairs to tell = the=20 others, there was silence, I quess we knew the future, in the next year = we would=20 be registering for the draft. By early 1943 all five were in military=20 service.  One ended up in a radar installation in Panama,  one = an=20 ex-officer on a navy transport, one as an instructor in a navy radar = training=20 school, my buddy, a  P-38 pilot in Ephrata,  WA. were a = training=20 accident took his life and I in the 303rd, 359th Sqdn as a = navigator.That day=20 changed the course of our lives.
LeRoy=20 Christenson
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C29F07.BC9712C0-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Dec 9 04:53:08 2002 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:53:08 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] SPIDERS A2 Message-ID: <3DF3BF44.16703.2F640FB@localhost> This is from Spider Smith. Graphics don't work on the list, so I intercepted the message and am resending it. Spider's A-2 Jacket is now online with the others here: http://www.303rdbga.com/a2.html Spider, I accidently deleted your follow-up message to this one. Please resend it. Sorry! ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "spider" To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Subject: SPIDERS A2 Date sent: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:52:01 -0800 Forwarded to: 303rd-talk-owner@303rdBGA.com Date forwarded: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:35:48 -0500 (EST) Forwarded by: 303rd-talk-admin@303rdBGA.com HI GARY AND ALL: HERE IS A SHOT OF MY A2 JACKET WHICH I PAINTED THE LOGOS ON WHEN I RETURNED FROM OVERSEAS IN MAY OF 1945. I USED MODEL AIRPLANE DOPE AND IT HELD UP PRETTY GOOD. THE JACKET DOEENT FIT ANY MORE BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY CALL ME SPIDER I'M NOT THET SKINNEY ANY MORE. AS FOR PEARL HARBOR DAY , I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO GO DOWN TO THE SODA FOUNTAIN WHERE WE WENT TO CHASE GIRLS. THE NEWS WAS A REAL SHOCK AND I WANTED TO QUIT HIGH SCHOOL"SENIOR" BUT MY DAD WOULDN'T LET ME . JOINED UP IN DECEMBER OF 1942 AND WAS CALLED UP IN MARCH OF 43. WENT TO ATLANTIC CITY FER BASIC TRAINING AND THEN TO PEN STATE FOR COLLEGE TRAINING.GRADUATED FROM PILOT TRAINING IN FEB 44 AND WAS IN MOLESWORTH IN MAY44. DICK "SPIDER" SMITH -- Gary -- Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com