From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sat Sep 29 08:40:39 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (hoytwma2) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 01:40:39 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Tunes Message-ID: <000d01c148ba$0a4b2ba0$6918183f@default> I must not not be getting all editions of the forum because there seems to be a lot happening that Im only hearing one side of. Im glad that I for one have taken everything everyone has said, the way that it was intended. I hate being owed appologies. Gee maybe thats why we need to keep focused on B-17s. Talk about anything else and somebody gets their toes stepped on. This forum is what I look forward to every night. I want to thank all of you. Gary, please dont take me off the list. Or anyone else. Ill pay their bail. Anyway ----- Q: anybody ever dial in any tuneson the radio on the way back home from a mission once in safer airspace ? From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 30 06:13:51 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (hoytwma2) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 23:13:51 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Reply: TUNES Message-ID: <005c01c1496e$b2530520$5118183f@default> Fory Wow DC. Seems so far away but then radio waves are about as mysterious to me as women. Naw I take that back. Radio waves are a piece of cake compared to women. Even my wife! Thanks for the info on the publications too. Bill Hoyt From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 30 07:43:10 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (hoytwma2) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:43:10 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: TUNES Message-ID: <00c701c1497b$2c7429e0$5118183f@default> Thanks Jack How about in the huts. Did anybody have a Victrola or radio? And what did ya listen to providing there was a choice? Anybody remember anyone singing (good or bad) or whistleing for any reason? In the air or on the ground. From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sat Sep 1 00:24:48 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:24:48 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore Message-ID: <167.1fe61c.28c176c0@aol.com> --part1_167.1fe61c.28c176c0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish I were going to be able to join you in Baltimore. Gary, it would be so fitting to finally meet you under the mural of Thunderbird. Hearing Keith Ferris talk should be a real treat. He's really an interesting guy. He opened up a new world for my Dad when they picked "that moment in time" for the mural. For Dad and the family's of the Jack Hilary's crew it is a wonderful memorial, For me, it's a chance to point to the crew picture, with pride, and say "That's my Dad!". And for the public, it's a depiction of often unsung heroes, just regular guys who answered their nation's call. To me represents all the thousands of "just regular guys" who together won a war. By the way, Dad is Gene Girman. In the crew picture he is in the front row, 2nd from the right with the turned up cap. Say hi for me. Contrary to the caption, Dad and Reid Bishop both survived as POWs. If, as a group, you could get them to correct that (Mr. Ferris knows the details) not only would it make the display historically accurate, but I think Dad would really like it. For all who be attending - Enjoy, Heidi Girman --part1_167.1fe61c.28c176c0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish I were going to be able to join you in Baltimore. Gary, it would be so
fitting to finally meet you under the mural of Thunderbird. Hearing Keith
Ferris talk should be a real treat. He's really an interesting guy. He opened
up a new world for my Dad when they picked "that moment in time" for the
mural. For Dad and the family's of the Jack Hilary's crew it is a wonderful
memorial, For me, it's a chance to point to the crew picture, with pride, and
say "That's my Dad!". And for the public, it's a depiction of often unsung
heroes, just regular guys who answered their nation's call. To me represents
all the thousands of "just regular guys" who together won a war. By the way,
Dad is Gene Girman. In the crew picture he is in the front row, 2nd from the
right with the turned up cap. Say hi for me. Contrary to the caption, Dad and
Reid Bishop both survived as POWs. If, as a group, you could get them to
correct that (Mr. Ferris knows the details) not only would it make the
display historically accurate, but I think Dad would really like it. For all
who be attending -

Enjoy,

Heidi Girman --part1_167.1fe61c.28c176c0_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sat Sep 1 04:03:00 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:03:00 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore In-Reply-To: <167.1fe61c.28c176c0@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B8FED74.5378.F6A295@localhost> > I wish I were going to be able to join you in Baltimore. Gary, > it would be so fitting to finally meet you under the mural of > Thunderbird. Thanks, Heidi. It will be a real treat. We've had a date to "meet Keith under the mural" for over 3 years now. It is very exciting to have it finally come to pass. My brother and his wife will be there also, as will Walt Hein (original Thunderbird BTG) and the daughter of Robert Rosier (original engineer). Give our love to your folks. We'll miss them and you. - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sat Sep 1 20:28:08 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Dick Smith) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:28:08 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore References: <3B8FED74.5378.F6A295@localhost> Message-ID: <002701c1331c$3ca483c0$3df833cf@richards> Hi Gary: Sorry but the Smiths won't be able to make Baltimore. We have our first Grand child being married this fall and are too caught up in the event. Look for the Beer can on the chin turret sight in the painting . I met Keith Ferris a couple of times when I was working on the B2 at Northrop, say hi to him from Spider Smith. Enjoy Spider ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Moncur" To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore > > I wish I were going to be able to join you in Baltimore. Gary, > > it would be so fitting to finally meet you under the mural of > > Thunderbird. > > Thanks, Heidi. It will be a real treat. We've had a date to "meet Keith under the > mural" for over 3 years now. It is very exciting to have it finally come to pass. > My brother and his wife will be there also, as will Walt Hein (original Thunderbird > BTG) and the daughter of Robert Rosier (original engineer). Give our love to > your folks. We'll miss them and you. > > - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association > http://www.303rdBGA.com > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 2 04:17:28 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Maurice Paulk) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 22:17:28 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] BILL HOYT - RADIOS & TUNES. Message-ID: <000501c1335d$ceb618a0$26bb9ace@mjpmtman> BILL-- RADIOS -- You have jarred a memory or two loose that I haven't thought of for YEARS!!!! We had a radio in the Air Corps Supply barracks. We listened to Broderick Crawford and Johnny Desmond on the AAF net work.AND Lord Haw Haw. I built a crystal radio with a commercial British crystal, copper wire for a coil , plans and a headset from communications { Think it and the 'chute building were next door ] My "Limey" friend told me to hook the anntenna lead and ground leads together and bury a coil of wire in the ground.--- He said they were broadcasting by "ground waves?????''.-- It worked !! I couldn't always get the army station but Calais and Lord Haw Haw came in clear. An old helmet furnished pads for the ear phones. The best reception was with the pads off and laying on a wooden table.--it created a "sound board". - that way the guys around the table could hear too. . My foot locker is "snowed under" right now -- I have the original plans in a notebook and it seems to me there was a sliding "cut off" on the coil to change wave lengths. One evening a couple of us heard our tower talking to one of our planes - about 5-6 words and it faded out. Sorry-- I shore do ramble a lot!!! FROM THE DIGGIN'S OF THE MOUNTAIN MAN a. k. a. M. J. PAULK---Ssupply Sgt - stock record clerk - clerk typist 205 W 12TH ST. M = Maurice WOOD RIVER, NE. 68883-9164 308-583-2583 ***************** EVERY ONE LIKES TO SEE ME! SOME ON MY ARRIVAL! MOST ON MY DEPARTURE!! From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 2 04:51:55 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Fory Barton) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 22:51:55 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Fink's Crew Message-ID: <001001c13362$9d784100$3ebcf5cd@computer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C13338.B307C2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, I kind of recall Bob Dahl. A tall kinda blonde haired guy.=20 Roger K. was a great guy. I was to meet him at Savannah airport for = reunion a couple years ago as our planes were to arrive near same time. = Was going to share rental car. Roger failed to show. His wife called at hotel to advise that he was = taken off his plane at Atlanta and taken to hospital. Without Roger or Loy Norris, I have not felt up to attending another = reunion as yet. National Stearman Fly In at Galesburg, Il has my interest this week end. = 140 are to be here plus other aircraft. Maybe 2002 will see me at 303rd reunion. Fory ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C13338.B307C2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob, I kind of recall Bob Dahl. A tall = kinda=20 blonde haired guy.
Roger K. was a great guy. I was to = meet him at=20 Savannah airport for reunion a couple years ago as our planes were to = arrive=20 near same time. Was going to share rental car.
Roger failed to show. His wife called = at hotel=20 to advise that he was taken off his plane at Atlanta and taken to=20 hospital.
Without Roger or Loy Norris, I have = not felt up=20 to attending another reunion as yet.
National Stearman Fly In at Galesburg, = Il has my=20 interest this week end. 140 are to be here plus other = aircraft.
Maybe 2002 will see me at 303rd=20 reunion.
 
Fory
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C13338.B307C2E0-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 2 16:29:00 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Hollritt, Todd) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 11:29:00 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] RE: Radios & Waves Message-ID: <1F494A0E3B54D2118A9200805FFE8AF8016E5DCE@ner-msg06.wireless.attws.com> Awhile back I mentioned this on the list, but know one recalled this contraption. I think Dad (303rd / 427th) rigged this up when he was transferred to the 305th "Pathfinders" at Chelveston. As a kid he loved crystal sets, so he was delighted when he discovered a Wireless store in Bedford (?). He took the supplies back to the base and ran an antenna out of the barracks and hooked up a homemade crystal set, as he picked along the coil numerous "Stations" could be programmed, it worked great, they picked up music and news from around the world. Now the neat thing about the system was that he used audio jacks at each bunk so you could plug in a set of USAAF head phones and "Listen" in! New crews were puzzled when they walked in and saw a bunch of guys laying in their bunks with the headphones on. Dad described the building as a Quonset hut so it most likely was the 305th since his barracks at Molesworth were in the wooden 427th buildings I think. Todd (A637) PS: Does anyone know the schedule for the DC bus trip this weekend? I will be driving down and tagging along during the day. Thanks. From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 2 21:13:21 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:13:21 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] DC Bus trip In-Reply-To: <1F494A0E3B54D2118A9200805FFE8AF8016E5DCE@ner-msg06.wireless.attws.com> Message-ID: <3B923071.29354.1332BB8@localhost> > > PS: Does anyone know the schedule for the DC bus trip this > weekend? I will be driving down and tagging along during the > day. Thanks. Todd, Just what it says on the program..... leaves the hotel at 8:15. We'll see you there! - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 2 23:12:07 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Jay Haskins) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 22:12:07 +0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Where to stay near Molesworth Message-ID: Jack my wife is US Army. we are a year and a half into a three year tour at RAF Molsworth. When you come over, if i can help in any way just yell. 01832-710-180 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 3 00:10:33 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Jay Haskins) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 23:10:33 +0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re:The Greatest Generation, memory and the 1st Amendment Message-ID: To every man, there comes in his lifetime, that special moment when he is figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered a chance to do a very special thing, unique to him and fitted to his talents; What a tragedy if that moment should find him unprepared or unqualified for the work which would be his finest hour. Sir Winston Churchill _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 3 01:15:47 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Jay Haskins) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 00:15:47 +0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] The Last Run Message-ID: this is a news letter that was posted at Molsworth last year. 25 April 1945 Skoda armaments works Pilsen Czechoslovakia B17 #44-83447 427th of the 303rd Lt Warren Mauger crew, was hit by AA fire shortly after Bombs Away and out of control, fell off to the right and went almost straight down. The aircraft exploded as the crew tried to bail out. three of the crew were killed, two were taken prioner and the remander evaded capture. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 3 02:32:07 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Jay Haskins) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 01:32:07 +0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Generations Message-ID: With all due respect; The guys that had to climb into those B17s were well beyond brave. They knew that it might be a one way ride. But the greatest generation? As a Naval Officer you take away the pride of every one who serves under you with the remarks that you have made. And not only navy but everyone else that serves the flag of our nation. you speak of before and after, what would you think about having to march into the mouth of a 12 pounder at Antietam? My wife is Army, i live with the fact that she may be called at anytime. And in an age where their are no front lines, you can only imagine my fears. My youngest brother was 20 miles from Bagdad when the war in the gulf ended. The greatest Generation? Hell, Its every time a doctor whacks a new born on the ass. Before battle, As Hector looked upon his son for the last time he said, In future generatians may it be said of him. Far greater is he than ever was his father. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 3 03:55:28 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 22:55:28 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Where to stay near Molesworth Message-ID: <22.1b30464b.28c44b20@aol.com> Hellcat Young Buddy, If I am the Jack you are talking to I thank you. There is very little chance I will ever in this life get to Molesworth again. If I do I'll give you a holler. Best Wishes, Jack Rencher From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 3 08:45:55 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (William Heller) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 00:45:55 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Generations References: Message-ID: <3B933533.BFF1BAD3@attglobal.net> Anyone who does not understand the meaning of the Greatest Generation just DOES NOT HAVE ALL HIS MARBLES! And, he knows NO honor for those who have gone before, and as such SHOULD NEVER EXPECT ANY! B y some twist of cerebral bankruptcy the writer thinks the GGF is only those who climbed into B17s. It also was those 5000 who stormed Iwo Jima ... ONLY 47 CAME OFF! Whoever you are, Haskins, I am signing my name. Bill Heller ( a proud member of the Greatest Generation) Jay Haskins wrote: > With all due respect; The guys that had to climb into those B17s were well > beyond brave. They knew that it might be a one way ride. > But the greatest generation? As a Naval Officer you take away the pride of > every one who serves under you with the remarks that you have made. And not > only navy but everyone else that serves the flag of our nation. > you speak of before and after, what would you think about having to march > into the mouth of a 12 pounder at Antietam? My wife is Army, i live with the > fact that she may be called at anytime. And in an age where their are no > front lines, you can only imagine my fears. My youngest brother was 20 miles > from Bagdad when the war in the gulf ended. The greatest > Generation? Hell, Its every time a doctor whacks a new born on the ass. > > Before battle, As Hector looked upon his son for the last time he said, In > future generatians may it be said of him. Far greater is he than ever was > his father. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 3 10:14:08 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Jay Haskins) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 09:14:08 +0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Generations Message-ID: I stand corrected Sir. I may have misunderstood, It was never my intention to offend you or anyone else who served during that war. I have always found an interest in military history, And reading the letters that you and others like you who gave so much is source of information that can never be replaced. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 3 17:53:46 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Michel Favre) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 18:53:46 +0200 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Let me introduce myself ... Message-ID: Hello, I am a swis filmmaker working for documentaries. I applied to the list because I am interested in making a documentary about the US internees in Switzerland during WWII. As I am at the beginning of the research, I thought that any information about survivors, relatives, etc could help me in my task. I will be very pleased to know more about your histories, so don't hesitete to write me ! In any case, I stay at your disposal for any further question. Congratulations for your great organisation in regard to history and men. Michel Favre --=20 Michel Favre 17, rue Tronchin CH - 1202 Gen=E8ve tel/fax : +41 22 344 66 82 cell: +41 76 316 66 89 Priv=E9 : +41 22 344 66 89 tradam@attglobal.net=20 From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 4 00:20:17 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:20:17 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Tunes Message-ID: <165.47593d.28c56a31@aol.com> Hoyt, We flew them 4 hours before they went on a mission. Any one could do it. We would take off and fly on 3 engines with the new (or rebuilt) engine just running at a fast idle and at low manifold pressure. We just flew around England wherever we wanted to. No particular place. I 'm' sure some areas were no nos. I don't remember. We sure didn't go over the continent. Often we took two new pilots as wing men so they could practice formation. I half soled shoes just outside the back door of our hut. I couldn't get heals so I just traded shoes with them. They were usually worn off on the outside. I used the back of a single bit ax stuck in a log for a shoe last, You didn't ask me where I cut hair. It was usually on someone's head, Also I didn't pierce ears or do tattoo's. No Navy fellows on our base. Best Wishes, Jack Rencher From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 4 04:56:07 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:56:07 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Gone and Maybe forgotten Message-ID: <10.1200e295.28c5aad7@aol.com> The Undersigned will not answer any questions on e-mail until 17 September 2001. He will not ask any either. Best Wishes, Jack Rencher From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 4 14:24:04 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 06:24:04 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore Message-ID: <3B947384.17584.11C294@localhost> Friends, Susan and I are looking forward to meeting those of you who are going to the reunion. Our plane leaves in about 6 hours. As luck would have it, Jack Rencher will be on the same flight, as he will connect through SLC. I'll get to spend 4 hours on a plane with one of the funniest men I've ever met. There won't be any web page updates until we get home the 10th, but I will check email daily from the reunion. Regards to all, - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 4 14:56:18 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:56:18 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Off Limits During Slowtiming Message-ID: Wasn't there a practice bombing range up on the Wash that was off limits during slow timing? I think there was a bombing range and a gunnery range. Can anyone confirm? Kevin >From: Jprencher@aol.com >Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com >To: 303rd-talk@303rdbga.com >Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Tunes >Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:20:17 EDT > >Hoyt, We flew them 4 hours before they went on a mission. Any one could do >it. We would take off and fly on 3 engines with the new (or rebuilt) engine >just running at a fast idle and at low manifold pressure. We just flew >around >England wherever we wanted to. No particular place. I 'm' sure some areas >were no nos. I don't remember. We sure didn't go over the continent. >Often >we took two new pilots as wing men so they could practice formation. I half >soled shoes just outside the back door of our hut. I couldn't get heals so >I >just traded shoes with them. They were usually worn off on the outside. I >used the back of a single bit ax stuck in a log for a shoe last, >You didn't ask me where I cut hair. It was usually on someone's head, Also >I >didn't pierce ears or do tattoo's. No Navy fellows on our base. > Best Wishes, > Jack Rencher > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 3 18:50:30 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 13:50:30 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Major John Long Message-ID: <3B93C2E6.84BB573E@bellatlantic.net> Hi, I am the neice of Major John Long, a pilot of a B-17G, and member of the 360th Bomb Squadron, 303 Bomb Group stationed at Molesworth, England. My uncle was killed when on May 11, 1944 while participating in a raid over Saarbruken, Germany. I never had the opportunity to meet my uncle and all of his metals were buried with my grandmother. If anyone knew him or has any information about him it would be appreciated. Thank you, Dianna From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 4 20:55:46 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:55:46 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Hello Message-ID: <125.4437b51.28c68bc2@aol.com> --part1_125.4437b51.28c68bc2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all. I just started reading 'Half a Wing, Three Engines, and a Prayer." Since I am currently stationed in England, I look forward to my next trip to RAF Molesworth to visit the museum. This is just a brief message to start, as I am scheduled to fly early in the morning. I just want the veterans to know how much I appreciate the sacrifice and service which allow me to serve (second generation) in the military of a free country. Hope to hear from any of you soon. God Bless --part1_125.4437b51.28c68bc2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all. I just started reading 'Half a Wing, Three Engines, and a Prayer."
Since I am currently stationed in England, I look forward to my next trip to
RAF Molesworth to visit the museum. This is just a brief message to start, as
I am scheduled to fly early in the morning. I just want the veterans to know
how much I appreciate the sacrifice and service which allow me to serve
(second generation) in the military of a free country. Hope to hear from any
of you soon.

God Bless --part1_125.4437b51.28c68bc2_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 5 07:05:55 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (William Heller) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:05:55 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Major John Long References: <3B93C2E6.84BB573E@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: <3B95C0C2.4E8002D@attglobal.net> Dianna ... Your Uncle John Long was a fine man and a fine pilot. I knew him as a Squadron mate before he was shot down in May of 1944. I left the 360th Squadron shortly thereafter for another assignment but came back to the 360th as CO at a later date. There is not much I can tell you about his being shot down but only that he was a friend of all in the Squadron and a very well liked person. Sincerely, William Heller 303rd Bomb Group (H) didilong@bellatlantic.net wrote: > Hi, > I am the neice of Major John Long, a pilot of a B-17G, and member of the > 360th Bomb Squadron, 303 Bomb Group stationed at Molesworth, England. > My uncle was killed when on May 11, 1944 while participating in a raid > over Saarbruken, Germany. I never had the opportunity to meet my uncle > and all of his metals were buried with my grandmother. If anyone knew > him or has any information about him it would be appreciated. Thank > you, Dianna From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 5 14:44:29 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:44:29 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: New 8th AAF book available Message-ID: --part1_bd.137952b8.28c7863d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 09/04/2001 8:44:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time,=20 WriteValerie@cs.com writes: > Subj: New 8th AAF book available > Date: 09/04/2001 8:44:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time > From: WriteValerie@cs.com > To: Thor542086 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Great news! There is a brandnew book available about the Eighth Air Force!= =20 > =E2=80=9CThe Original Hell=E2=80=99s Angels:303rd Bombardment Group of WWI= I=E2=80=9D was published=20 > last week by ArcadiaPublishing. Author Valerie Smart compiled the book in=20 > honor of her great-uncle, Kasmer Wegrzyn, who was a ground crew member of=20 > the plane =E2=80=9CHell=E2=80=99s Angels.=E2=80=9DThe book introduces the=20= crew, the first in the=20 > 8th AF to complete 25 missionsfrom their base at Molesworth, England, and=20 > includes over 160 photographs of the Hell=E2=80=99s Angelsand other crews=20= in the=20 > 303rd. Paperback, 128 pages. To obtain a copy of =E2=80=9CTheOriginal Hell= =E2=80=99s=20 > Angels=E2=80=9D send cash, check, or money order in the amount of$25.00 ($= 19.99=20 > list price, plus $5 shipping and handling) to: Valerie Smart, 17 Cooper=20 > St., Agawam, MA, 01001. For more information or to find out how you=20 > cancreate a pictorial history book about your Eighth Air Force Squadron=20 > contact Valerie at WriteValerie@cs.= com. Thankyou. (I received your e-mail=20 > address from your affiliation=E2=80=99s web site when Iwas researching the= 8th AAF). >=20 --part1_bd.137952b8.28c7863d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 09/04/= 2001 8:44:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time,=20
WriteValerie@cs.com writes:


Subj: New 8th AAF book a= vailable
Date: 09/04/2001 8:44:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time
From: WriteValerie@cs.com
To: Thor542086



Great news! There is a brandnew book available about the Eighth Air Forc= e!=20
=E2=80=9CThe Original Hell=E2=80=99s Angels:303rd Bombardment Group of W= WII=E2=80=9D was published=20
last week by ArcadiaPublishing. Author Valerie Smart compiled the book i= n=20
honor of her great-uncle, Kasmer Wegrzyn, who was a ground crew member o= f=20
the plane =E2=80=9CHell=E2=80=99s Angels.=E2=80=9DThe book introduces th= e crew, the first in the=20
8th AF to complete 25 missionsfrom their base at Molesworth, England, an= d=20
includes over 160 photographs of the Hell=E2=80=99s Angelsand other crew= s in the=20
303rd. Paperback, 128 pages. To obtain a copy of =E2=80=9CTheOriginal He= ll=E2=80=99s=20
Angels=E2=80=9D send cash, check, or money order in the amount of$25.00=20= ($19.99=20
list price, plus $5 shipping and handling) to: Valerie Smart, 17 Cooper=20
St., Agawam, MA, 01001. For more information or to find out how you=20
cancreate a pictorial history book about your Eighth Air Force Squadron=20
contact Valerie at WriteValerie@c= s.com. Thankyou. (I received your e-mail=20
address from your affiliation=E2=80=99s web site when Iwas researching t= he 8th AAF).


--part1_bd.137952b8.28c7863d_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Sep 6 03:01:42 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:01:42 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: New 8th AAF book available Message-ID: <8d.c1fbfbf.28c83306@aol.com> --part1_8d.c1fbfbf.28c83306_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 09/04/2001 8:44:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time,=20 WriteValerie@cs.com writes: > Subj: New 8th AAF book available > Date: 09/04/2001 8:44:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time > From: WriteValerie@cs.com > To: Thor542086 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Great news! There is a brandnew book available about the Eighth Air Force!= =20 > =E2=80=9CThe Original Hell=E2=80=99s Angels:303rd Bombardment Group of WWI= I=E2=80=9D was published=20 > last week by ArcadiaPublishing. Author Valerie Smart compiled the book in=20 > honor of her great-uncle, Kasmer Wegrzyn, who was a ground crew member of=20 > the plane =E2=80=9CHell=E2=80=99s Angels.=E2=80=9DThe book introduces the=20= crew, the first in the=20 > 8th AF to complete 25 missionsfrom their base at Molesworth, England, and=20 > includes over 160 photographs of the Hell=E2=80=99s Angelsand other crews=20= in the=20 > 303rd. Paperback, 128 pages. To obtain a copy of =E2=80=9CTheOriginal Hell= =E2=80=99s=20 > Angels=E2=80=9D send cash, check, or money order in the amount of$25.00 ($= 19.99=20 > list price, plus $5 shipping and handling) to: Valerie Smart, 17 Cooper=20 > St., Agawam, MA, 01001. For more information or to find out how you=20 > cancreate a pictorial history book about your Eighth Air Force Squadron=20 > contact Valerie at WriteValerie@cs.= com. Thankyou. (I received your e-mail=20 > address from your affiliation=E2=80=99s web site when Iwas researching the= 8th AAF). >=20 --part1_8d.c1fbfbf.28c83306_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 09/04/= 2001 8:44:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time,=20
WriteValerie@cs.com writes:


Subj: New 8th AAF book a= vailable
Date: 09/04/2001 8:44:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time
From: WriteValerie@cs.com
To: Thor542086



Great news! There is a brandnew book available about the Eighth Air Forc= e!=20
=E2=80=9CThe Original Hell=E2=80=99s Angels:303rd Bombardment Group of W= WII=E2=80=9D was published=20
last week by ArcadiaPublishing. Author Valerie Smart compiled the book i= n=20
honor of her great-uncle, Kasmer Wegrzyn, who was a ground crew member o= f=20
the plane =E2=80=9CHell=E2=80=99s Angels.=E2=80=9DThe book introduces th= e crew, the first in the=20
8th AF to complete 25 missionsfrom their base at Molesworth, England, an= d=20
includes over 160 photographs of the Hell=E2=80=99s Angelsand other crew= s in the=20
303rd. Paperback, 128 pages. To obtain a copy of =E2=80=9CTheOriginal He= ll=E2=80=99s=20
Angels=E2=80=9D send cash, check, or money order in the amount of$25.00=20= ($19.99=20
list price, plus $5 shipping and handling) to: Valerie Smart, 17 Cooper=20
St., Agawam, MA, 01001. For more information or to find out how you=20
cancreate a pictorial history book about your Eighth Air Force Squadron=20
contact Valerie at WriteValerie@c= s.com. Thankyou. (I received your e-mail=20
address from your affiliation=E2=80=99s web site when Iwas researching t= he 8th AAF).


--part1_8d.c1fbfbf.28c83306_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Sep 6 03:20:36 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:20:36 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Major John Long References: <3B93C2E6.84BB573E@bellatlantic.net> <3B95C0C2.4E8002D@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <3B96DD74.3E01247D@bellatlantic.net> Mr. Heller, Thank you for your kind words and for taking the time to write. Much appreciated. Best wishes, Dianna William Heller wrote: > Dianna ... > > Your Uncle John Long was a fine man and a fine pilot. I knew him as a > Squadron mate before he was shot down in May of 1944. I left the 360th > Squadron shortly thereafter for another assignment but came back to the > 360th as CO at a later date. There is not much I can tell you about his > being shot down but only that he was a friend of all in the Squadron and a > very well liked person. > > Sincerely, > > William Heller > 303rd Bomb Group (H) > > didilong@bellatlantic.net wrote: > > > Hi, > > I am the neice of Major John Long, a pilot of a B-17G, and member of the > > 360th Bomb Squadron, 303 Bomb Group stationed at Molesworth, England. > > My uncle was killed when on May 11, 1944 while participating in a raid > > over Saarbruken, Germany. I never had the opportunity to meet my uncle > > and all of his metals were buried with my grandmother. If anyone knew > > him or has any information about him it would be appreciated. Thank > > you, Dianna From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 7 00:40:32 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Jones) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:40:32 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Ball Turret Gunners on History Channel Message-ID: <200109062340.f86NevP16131@ns1.megalink.net> History Channel has a show on the Ball Turret gunners on tonight. I don't know if this is the same show as the Suicide Missions episode about the Ball Turret or if it is a different show. I suspect it is the old show with a new name, but maybe not. I always thought that the old show wouldn't have been criticized as much if it hadn't been named Suicide Missions. That and the Military Blunders show have really bad names. Anyway, it should be interesting to see if this show is different. Bill Jones Sweden Maine N3JLQ wejones@megalink.net htpp://www.megalink.net/~wejones TVRO,Space,Ham radio,WX htpp://www.megalink.net/~wejones/wwii.html B-17/wwii/303rdBG From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 9 12:25:44 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 05:25:44 -0600 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore !!!! Message-ID: Just a quick hello from Baltimore. We're having a great time with 320 or so 303rd friends. We spent the day at the Smithsonian yesterday and I saw the mural for the first time and kept my date with Keith Ferris to me "meet under the mural." Jack Rencher is our new president! Watch out. More soon. Regards, Gary - 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 9 13:39:35 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kit Harvey) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 12:39:35 +0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] New member with a question Message-ID:
Hello
 
I am a new member to the site/mail list, I live in London England, Im 29 years old and an enthusiast to aviation, my Uncle flew Lancs for the RAF, did 2 tours, I think thats 44 flights pretty much all over the "Big B" and my Grandfather was ground crew near Shewsbury, looking after the aircraft that flew in from the US, re-fueling etc, he also was a drummer in the station band. Because of those connections I ve always been truely moved by what people did for us and interested in what happend. Ive often visited old airbases on days off, Bassingbourne home to the Mephis Belle, Debden, Steeple Morden to see whats left and to, I guess in someways, pay my respects to the aircrews. Ive always been moved by the actions of the crews, so if anyone is reading this that served, Im on person who will always be in debt.
 
Over the last year or so Ive tried to collect a few interesting aviation bits and bobs, I havnt got much, sunglasses etc, but the other day I managed to get hold of a pair of headphones and a piece of B-17 which crash landed in Sandwich in Kent, 303 Sq 427th, I was hoping that the crew survived the crash, but Im trying to find out if anyone knows anything about it, the crash, what happened and which aircraft it was, maybe even which bit Ive got, so I can understand a little about one of your fellow crews. Maybe if it helps, and its not far away I could take some pictures of an old station if Im passing.
 
Thanks
 
Kit (kit247@hotmail.com) 

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From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 9 16:23:10 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gordon L. Alton) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 08:23:10 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore !!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Congratulations to Jack. Good for you, Jack!!!! Gordy. -----Original Message----- From: 303rd-talk-admin@303rdBGA.com [mailto:303rd-talk-admin@303rdBGA.com]On Behalf Of Gary Moncur Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 4:26 AM To: 303rd-talk@303rdbga.com Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore !!!! Just a quick hello from Baltimore. We're having a great time with 320 or so 303rd friends. We spent the day at the Smithsonian yesterday and I saw the mural for the first time and kept my date with Keith Ferris to me "meet under the mural." Jack Rencher is our new president! Watch out. More soon. Regards, Gary - 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 9 21:09:30 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:09:30 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] New member with a question Message-ID: <9.1b255982.28cd267a@aol.com> Hi, I was a pilot in the 303rd stationed at MOLESWORTH and flew 28 missions at the last of the war so there wasnt so much enemy air craft in the air but plenty of flack. I had a good crew - they got along good and no one got hurt in 28 raids! I was in London once when one of thoes "buzz bombs" went over but it just kept going! I'll try to answer any questions you might have if you want me to. Clyde Henning, Pilot 358th Sqd. From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 10 05:04:44 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Edward L Frank) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore !!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910000306.009fe6c0@home.1usa.com> Congradulations Jack Rencher, Ed Frank >." Jack Rencher is our new >president! Watch out. > >More soon. >Regards, > > > > >Gary - 303rd Bomb Group Association >http://www.303rdBGA.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 10 20:39:06 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:39:06 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] found after 56 years co-pilot eugene l. halonen in sturtevant,wisconsin. Message-ID: such a grand reward returning from vacation. now ,only to find navigator, milton j. syzmanski(LAST NAME LEFGALLY CHANGED TO SCOTT AFTER ENGLAND). he was from milwaukee area ans remained in u s air force. any body ,help with this search. thanks. From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 10 19:41:59 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Louis Grandwilliams) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [303rd-Talk] Best Pilot Message-ID: <18147-3B9D0977-546@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Jack Rencher , Our new President,will pilot us through the next year. At the reunion we went on a cruise from Annapolis.Jack was the pilot on the Ship. Jack this does make you the "Best All Around Pilot" in my eyes. Lou Grandwilliams From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 10 20:41:35 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:41:35 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] how do i get permission to get into archives ? thanks gary for assist. spec Message-ID: <7a.1a8dbfe6.28ce716f@aol.com> From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 10 20:44:57 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:44:57 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: my sincere regrets that i was not ,at last minute, able to be with ya'll. Message-ID: all i have chatted with hereon and over my few years as member were really hoped to meet in person and visit with. my loss. hope all enjoyed. grats to honorable leader RENCHER. cheers to all. spec From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 10 20:46:58 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:46:58 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Best Pilot Message-ID: <14f.c923b0.28ce72b2@aol.com> in his many chats he has indicated a lead pilot ability to penetrate the chaff and get to meat of subjects. cheers jack From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 10 23:00:26 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:00:26 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore !!!! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910000306.009fe6c0@home.1usa.com> References: Message-ID: <3B9CD58A.29480.C8326E@localhost> What a great reunion! We met many new friends and renewed many older friendships. We flew home today and are exhausted. It was 5 full days of non- stop activities and wonderful conversations. Jack Rencher will make a great president. He won't be back online for about a week as he is visiting some relatives in the east before returning to Boise. Jack commandeered the Harbor Queen on a cruse in the Severn River and steered the boat for about 30 minutes. He is now referred to as "Captain Jack" by many who were there. I'll get a photo of "Captain Jack" on the web page within a day or two. We were able to spend some time with Keith and Peggy Ferris which we all enjoyed very much. Susan and I may be the only people in the world who have gone to lunch with Keith and Peggy and dined on hot dogs from a Washington DC street vendor. It was wonderful meeting some of you. We wish more could have been there. - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 10 22:38:36 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Christopher Ryder) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:38:36 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] New member with a question Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C13A06.46631D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Noting Clyde Hennings message, my father served as ground personnel with = the 358th Sqd. throughout the war (Irving Ryder). He mentioned going to = North Africa near the end of the war. I think it was Cassablanca. I'm c= urious about why the unit was stationed there and for how long? I only re= call him mentioning sand being in everything. =20 Thx, Chris Ryder =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: RasinMan65@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:13 PM To: 303rd-talk@303rdbga.com Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] New member with a question =20 Hi, I was a pilot in the 303rd stationed at MOLESWORTH and flew 28 missi= ons at the last of the war so there wasnt so much enemy air craft in the air = but plenty of flack. I had a good crew - they got along good and no one got = hurt in 28 raids! I was in London once when one of thoes "buzz bombs" went over but it j= ust kept going! I'll try to answer any questions you might have if you want= me to. Clyde Henning, Pilot 358th Sqd. ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C13A06.46631D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Noting Clyde H= ennings message, my father served as ground personnel with the 358th= Sqd. throughout the war (Irving Ryder).  He mentioned going to= North Africa near the end of the war. I think it was Cassablanca. &= nbsp; I'm curious about why the unit was stationed there and for how long= ? I only recall him mentioning sand being in everything.
Thx,=
 
Chris Ryder   
&n= bsp;
----- Original Message -----
From: RasinM= an65@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, S= eptember 09, 2001 1:13 PM
To: 303rd-talk@303rdbga.com
Subjec= t: Re: [303rd-Talk] New member with a question
 Hi,
    I was a pilot in the 303rd stationed at  = MOLESWORTH and flew 28 missions
at the last of the war so there wasnt = so much enemy air craft in the air but
plenty of flack.  I had a = good crew - they got along good and no one got hurt
in 28 raids!
&n= bsp;  I was in London once when one of thoes "buzz bombs" went over = but it just
kept going!   I'll try to answer any questions y= ou might have if you want me
to.
     &nbs= p;            = ;     Clyde Henning, Pilot  358th Sqd.

------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C13A06.46631D40-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 11 09:12:13 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gordon L. Alton) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:12:13 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore !!!! In-Reply-To: <3B9CD58A.29480.C8326E@localhost> Message-ID: Nice to have you back, Gary. I'm sure you'll tell us more about the shenanigans in the days to come. I look forward to the picture of "Captain Jack". I hope none of them rowdies got too polluted and whipped the shit out of any DC marines, or anything silly like that. Gordy. -----Original Message----- From: 303rd-talk-admin@303rdBGA.com [mailto:303rd-talk-admin@303rdBGA.com]On Behalf Of Gary Moncur Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:00 PM To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore !!!! What a great reunion! We met many new friends and renewed many older friendships. We flew home today and are exhausted. It was 5 full days of non- stop activities and wonderful conversations. Jack Rencher will make a great president. He won't be back online for about a week as he is visiting some relatives in the east before returning to Boise. Jack commandeered the Harbor Queen on a cruse in the Severn River and steered the boat for about 30 minutes. He is now referred to as "Captain Jack" by many who were there. I'll get a photo of "Captain Jack" on the web page within a day or two. We were able to spend some time with Keith and Peggy Ferris which we all enjoyed very much. Susan and I may be the only people in the world who have gone to lunch with Keith and Peggy and dined on hot dogs from a Washington DC street vendor. It was wonderful meeting some of you. We wish more could have been there. - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.277 / Virus Database: 146 - Release Date: 9/5/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.277 / Virus Database: 146 - Release Date: 9/5/2001 From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 11 13:33:42 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Louis Grandwilliams) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore !!!! In-Reply-To: "Gordon L. Alton" 's message of Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:12:13 -0700 Message-ID: <21635-3B9E04A6-1756@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-17129-881 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Gordy,We didn't "whip" any marines but we sure did hex their football team. A 70 to 7 loss. Lou --WebTV-Mail-17129-881 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-17129-881-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 11 14:21:04 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gordon L. Alton) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:21:04 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Baltimore !!!! In-Reply-To: <21635-3B9E04A6-1756@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C13A89.EFA84F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excellent, Lou. Can't get much better of a win than that. Awesome. Gordy. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C13A89.EFA84F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excellent, Lou. Can't get much better of a win than that.=20 Awesome.
Gordy.

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 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C13A89.EFA84F00-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 11 18:49:23 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Owen) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:49:23 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Blood Message-ID: <000901c13aea$1c230560$5a3f22d1@billowen> To All Members, Due to the dastardly attack this morning on New York there is going to be a tremendous need for blood transfusions for the wounded. I hope all of you will join me in going to your nearest blood center and donating a pint of blood. It will help save some lives. Call your neighbors and encourage them to join you. Sincerely, Bill Owen From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 11 19:41:31 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Abigail Hourwich & Mark Donnelly) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:41:31 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Blood References: <000901c13aea$1c230560$5a3f22d1@billowen> Message-ID: <002c01c13af1$60b3a5c0$6bed7ad1@markdonn> This is Mark Donnelly in New York City. Please do give blood. I live in Manhattan and we have been told to stay away from the hospitals and they are overextended treating the injured. This is a tough city. It will take more than this to take us out. There is one common feeling in this city today. It is anger. Fuck 'em! George Bush can now show the world what kind of President he is. This has been going on since the 60s and we have not done a Hell of a lot to punish these terrorists. Now it is time to deal with the problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Owen" To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: [303rd-Talk] Blood > To All Members, > > Due to the dastardly attack this morning on New York there is going to be a > tremendous need for blood transfusions for the wounded. I hope all of you > will join me in going to your nearest blood center and donating a pint of > blood. It will help save some lives. Call your neighbors and encourage them > to join you. > > Sincerely, > Bill Owen > > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 11 19:12:01 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Jim Walling) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:12:01 -1000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Congratulations, Jack Rencher Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010911081201.008c8eb0@ilhawaii.net> Jack, It is great to know that you will be heading up our Association. I told you once that I was Lt. Goodberlet's ball turret gunner. You and we were in the same flight on our first mission on 26nov44 and we were on your last mission on Christmas Eve. Jim Walling From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 12 01:09:39 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:09:39 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Capt Jack and more Message-ID: <3B9E4553.1338.6651239@localhost> A couple of photos of Jack and some others are now on the web page here: http://www.303rdbga.com/reu-baltimore.html Most of my shots from the final banquet didn't turn out. Some did, but most were messed up by the lighting. My digital camera has a week flash and distant shots are pretty bad. Others will send me photos and I will add more soon I'm sure. I just heard from Keith Ferris. He had a presentation at the Pentagon on Monday (moved up from the scheduled Tuesday). Fortunately, he and Peggy made it home safely and we pray that all our 303rders did as well. As he put it in his email, "There but for the Grace of God..." Regards to everyone on this historic day. Our prayers are with everyone personally affected by this tragedy. - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 11 21:04:34 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (William Heller) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:04:34 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Blood References: <000901c13aea$1c230560$5a3f22d1@billowen> <002c01c13af1$60b3a5c0$6bed7ad1@markdonn> Message-ID: <3B9E6E51.D015C188@attglobal.net> Mark Donnelly ... Let us, as a humane nation, HELP ALL these ragheads who love to be martyrs, TO BE MARTYRS! Let's GET THEM ALL. NOW! Islam's gain is to rule the world SANS Christians and others. LET US HELP THEM ALL TO BECOME MARTYRS! Cheers! Abigail Hourwich & Mark Donnelly wrote: > This is Mark Donnelly in New York City. Please do give blood. I live in > Manhattan and we have been told to stay away from the hospitals and they are > overextended treating the injured. > > This is a tough city. It will take more than this to take us out. There is > one common feeling in this city today. It is anger. Fuck 'em! George Bush > can now show the world what kind of President he is. This has been going on > since the 60s and we have not done a Hell of a lot to punish these > terrorists. Now it is time to deal with the problem. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Owen" > To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:49 PM > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Blood > > > To All Members, > > > > Due to the dastardly attack this morning on New York there is going to be > a > > tremendous need for blood transfusions for the wounded. I hope all of you > > will join me in going to your nearest blood center and donating a pint of > > blood. It will help save some lives. Call your neighbors and encourage > them > > to join you. > > > > Sincerely, > > Bill Owen > > > > > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 12 01:02:26 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:02:26 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Congratulations, Jack Rencher Message-ID: <105.922c6e0.28d00012@aol.com> jim, iknow all talk members join you in grats to jack. now let's all gtive blood or urge able young to do so and all pray. From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 12 02:12:29 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:12:29 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Blood Message-ID: <79.1afa8602.28d0107d@aol.com> I totally agree that whoever is responsible must be made to pay BUT lets make sure we know who we are going after and that they are the guilty parties. Remember that we are better than the vermin who did this and we as a nation should not stoop to their level. Hate is our worst enemy and we must not let it destroy us. God bless America Steven L. Siegmund From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 12 22:21:15 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:21:15 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd-Talk digest, New President Message-ID: <13d.153fb2e.28d12bcb@aol.com> Hi Jack, Never use that phrase in an airplane. We have the two best pilots in the 8th AF now we have the best association president in the 8th AF. Glad you are there Jack. Bill D From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Sep 13 00:45:58 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:45:58 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd-Talk digest, New President Message-ID: <154.e77231.28d14db6@aol.com> ditto !!!! ditto !!!! . cheers. jack, thanks for agreeing to lead us. spec From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Sep 13 08:31:58 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:31:58 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: attack on the us Message-ID: <128.47bbc97.28d1baee@aol.com> Just to let you all know we are thinking of you all over hear in england . after the terrorist attack on the us.I drove over to molesworth last night after work and laid some flowers at the 303bg memorial and just sat there for an hour and tried to make some sense of it all robin beeby uk liason 303 bg From b.runnels@att.net Thu Sep 13 16:19:06 2001 From: b.runnels@att.net (b.runnels@att.net) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:19:06 +0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: attack on the us Message-ID: <20010913151906.KVKK8481.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Robin, your concern for our well being is greatly appreciated! Thanks for caring.....Bill Runnels, bomardier, 360th Sqd., 303rdBG > Just to let you all know we are thinking of you all over hear in england . > after the terrorist attack on the us.I drove over to molesworth last night after > work and laid some flowers at the 303bg memorial and just sat there for an hour > and tried to make some sense of it all > > robin beeby > uk liason 303 bg > From wheller@attglobal.net Thu Sep 13 18:08:00 2001 From: wheller@attglobal.net (William Heller) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:08:00 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: attack on the us References: <128.47bbc97.28d1baee@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BA0E7F0.3868EC70@attglobal.net> Robin and family ... Somehow I knew that would be you, at Molesworth ... and ... remembering. For the first time, the people of America have seen at first hand, what the people of England suffered throughout the early days of WW#2 (the one we won). Let us hope we can respond with the same resolve as did England in her time of need. Your thoughts are appreciated. Cheers! Ruth and Bill RJBeeby@aol.com wrote: > Just to let you all know we are thinking of you all over hear in england . > after the terrorist attack on the us.I drove over to molesworth last night after work and laid some flowers at the 303bg memorial and just sat there for an hour > and tried to make some sense of it all > > robin beeby > uk liason 303 bg From B17GSparks@aol.com Fri Sep 14 06:19:05 2001 From: B17GSparks@aol.com (B17GSparks@aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:19:05 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #379 - 4 msgs Message-ID: Dear Robin: Your message and thoughtfulness touched me deeply and is most appreciated. I was also moved to tears when Queen Elizabeth ordered The Star Spangled Banner to be played at the changing of the guard as a tribute in our countries hours of tragedy. Thank God for your loving friendship and concern. Ray (Sparks) 358th Sq. 303rdBG From JJENKINSR@cs.com Fri Sep 14 07:28:23 2001 From: JJENKINSR@cs.com (JJENKINSR@cs.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:28:23 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: attack on the us Message-ID: <4b.1125b312.28d2fd87@cs.com> --part1_4b.1125b312.28d2fd87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robin, There is no logical explanation for the recent terrorist attack on the East Coast of the US a few days ago. Those involved merely exploited the inherent weaknesses of a free country to demonstrate their hatred and contempt for the US. I am certain that a terrible revenge for this sudden and deliberate attack awaits around the corner. Whether the infected hand that incited the attack will ever be punished remains to be seen. America has endured many trials and tribulations in the previous two centuries. This attack is yet another challenge for this country. For those of us too young to have experienced the surprise attack at Pearl Harbor this event may provide a venue for us to understand what happened. God Bless America and her staunch Allies. Best Wishes, John A. Jenkins 6910 Old Redmond Road Redmond, WA 98052 USA Phone (425) 885-0595 --part1_4b.1125b312.28d2fd87_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robin,
      
      There is no logical explanation for the recent terrorist attack on the East Coast of the US a few days ago.  Those involved merely exploited the inherent weaknesses of a free country to demonstrate their hatred and contempt for the US.  I am certain that a terrible revenge for this sudden and deliberate attack awaits around the corner.  Whether the infected hand that incited the attack will ever be punished remains to be seen.
      
      America has endured many trials and tribulations in the previous two centuries.  This attack is yet another challenge for this country.  For those of us too young to have experienced the surprise attack at Pearl Harbor this event may provide a venue for us to understand what happened.  
      
      God Bless America and her staunch Allies.

Best Wishes,
    
John A. Jenkins

6910 Old Redmond Road
Redmond, WA   98052   USA

Phone (425) 885-0595 --part1_4b.1125b312.28d2fd87_boundary-- From glm@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 14 16:13:02 2001 From: glm@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:13:02 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] NYC-DC Disaster posts Message-ID: <3BA1BC0E.10125.31C066@localhost> 303rd-Talk is now a moderated group. All posts must be approved by the moderator so there may be a delay before they show up. Posts that are political or messages that have been forwarded from others will not be approved. Only personal, heartfelt, non-political comments relating to the NY-DC disaster will be accepted. All else must remain on topic. - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From IBSPEC@aol.com Fri Sep 14 16:42:39 2001 From: IBSPEC@aol.com (IBSPEC@aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:42:39 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: attack on the us Message-ID: so very importantly touching and meaningful. gracious thanks. spec campen, bravo!!! From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 14 19:17:34 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:17:34 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: attack on the us Message-ID: I am very surprised and saddened! Most of the people in my city are acting as if nothing has happened, going about their day-to-day business as if what happened on Tuesday happened in Hollywood. I don't believe they fully grasp the gravity of the situation and what is about to follow. Kevin >From: JJENKINSR@cs.com >To: 303rd-talk@303rdbga.com >Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Re: attack on the us >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:28:23 EDT > >Robin, > > There is no logical explanation for the recent terrorist attack on >the >East Coast of the US a few days ago. Those involved merely exploited the >inherent weaknesses of a free country to demonstrate their hatred and >contempt for the US. I am certain that a terrible revenge for this sudden >and deliberate attack awaits around the corner. Whether the infected hand >that incited the attack will ever be punished remains to be seen. > > America has endured many trials and tribulations in the previous >two >centuries. This attack is yet another challenge for this country. For >those >of us too young to have experienced the surprise attack at Pearl Harbor >this >event may provide a venue for us to understand what happened. > > God Bless America and her staunch Allies. > >Best Wishes, > >John A. Jenkins > >6910 Old Redmond Road >Redmond, WA 98052 USA > >Phone (425) 885-0595 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 14 19:26:07 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:26:07 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Miami Herald Editorial Message-ID: Please take a few moments to read this editorial. Mr. Pitts is able to put into words what most of us are feeling now. Kevin LEONARD PITTS WRITES FOR THE MIAMI HERALD - September 13, 2001 It's my job to have something to say. They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering. You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard. What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed. Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause. Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve. Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together. Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae -- a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God. Some people -- you, perhaps -- think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals. IN PAIN Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before. But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice. I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future. In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined. THE STEEL IN US You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold. As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish. So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started. But you're about to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sat Sep 15 03:42:07 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:42:07 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] 303rd-Talk] COL Schulstad on Seattle Radio This Morning Message-ID: <6a.1363ccd6.28d419ff@cs.com> --part1_6a.1363ccd6.28d419ff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the way to work this morning I heard a gentlemen on the radio who identified himself as COL 'Mel' Schulstad. I recognized the name immediately as someone from the 303rd BG. COL Schulstad told the story of the National Anthem which he had previously presented at the recent 303rd Reunion in Baltimore. He also gave a rather modest description of the accomplishments of the 303rd. This was quite a pleasant change to my usual morning commute to Boeing. Best Wishes, John A. Jenkins 6910 Old Redmond Road Redmond, WA 98052 USA Phone (425) 885-0595 --part1_6a.1363ccd6.28d419ff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      On the way to work this morning I heard a gentlemen on the radio who identified himself as COL 'Mel' Schulstad.  I recognized the name immediately as someone from the 303rd BG.  COL Schulstad told the story of the National Anthem which he had previously presented at the recent 303rd Reunion in Baltimore.  He also gave a rather modest description of the accomplishments of the 303rd.  This was quite a pleasant change to my usual morning commute to Boeing.

Best Wishes,    

John A. Jenkins

6910 Old Redmond Road
Redmond, WA   98052   USA

Phone (425) 885-0595 --part1_6a.1363ccd6.28d419ff_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sat Sep 15 16:58:53 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:58:53 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] 303rd-Talk]WWII Veterans Message-ID: John and all: The first thing I heard on CNN this morning was about how World War II veterans were calling in asking what they could do for this country! They said they still had a little fight left in them and were willing to put it to good use. Unbelievable! You guys are incredible! Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 16 20:28:12 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bob Hand) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:28:12 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] 303rd-Talk]WWII Veterans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 9/15/01 11:58 AM, Kevin Pearson at kevinmpearson@hotmail.com wrote: > John and all: The first thing I heard on CNN this morning was about how > World War II veterans were calling in asking what they could do for this > country! They said they still had a little fight left in them and were > willing to put it to good use. Unbelievable! You guys are incredible! > Kevin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > The roaring fire of patriotism we all packed under our chutes cannot possibly have totally diminished, even after all these years. My pulse would thunder and heartbeat hammer, but I'd gladly give it a try... Cheers, Bob Hand From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 17 02:56:50 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:56:50 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] 303rd-Talk]WWII Veterans Message-ID: <148.1afb3c0.28d6b262@cs.com> --part1_148.1afb3c0.28d6b262_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin and all, Those who served in the Second World War have been through a great deal already. Until the recent terrorist attack on the East Coast most of us in the following generations had no real appreciation of the human carnage involved. I believe we are beginning to get the picture. Early in WWII the news was generally bad for the Allies and the outcome of the War was unknown. It is difficult to imagine that some would want to go through similar experiences again. WWII veterans are truly special people. Best Wishes, John A. Jenkins 6910 Old Redmond Road Redmond, WA 98052 USA Phone (425) 885-0595 --part1_148.1afb3c0.28d6b262_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin and all,
      Those who served in the Second World War have been through a great deal already.  Until the recent terrorist attack on the East Coast most of us in the following generations had no real appreciation of the human carnage involved.  I believe we are beginning to get the picture.
      Early in WWII the news was generally bad for the Allies and the outcome of the War was unknown.  It is difficult to imagine that some would want to go through similar experiences again.  WWII veterans are truly special people.

Best Wishes,

John A. Jenkins

6910 Old Redmond Road
Redmond, WA   98052   USA

Phone (425) 885-0595 --part1_148.1afb3c0.28d6b262_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 17 14:22:06 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:22:06 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] 303rd-Talk New Book Message-ID: Saturday I picked up a new book titled The Mighty Eighth by Gerald Astor. >From what I have read so far, it appears to be an exceptional book with interviews by Eighth Air Force veterans, and vivid first hand accounts taken from diaries of the men who were there. If you are looking for a way to distract yourself from the events of last week, I can highly recommend this book. Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 17 14:48:09 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Tooley, Dave) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:48:09 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Book list for B-17's Message-ID: List, I found this website that has approximately 100 B-17 related books. Includes fiction, unit histories, etc. http://www.users.bigpond.com/stevebirdsall/index.html Dave From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 17 22:03:14 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Louis Grandwilliams) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [303rd-Talk] HEROS Message-ID: <17668-3BA66512-1601@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-6125-933 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit A while back the subject of the younger generatios character came up . Many quest ions were asked, many answers were given. Look to New York And Washington, The actions of both cities "FINAST", Cops,Firemen,Medical Personell and Volunteers from every walk of life has proven their metal. Let not our hearts be troubled" PRAY FOR THEM Lou 359th. --WebTV-Mail-6125-933 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-6125-933-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 18 00:19:54 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (george frechter) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:19:54 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mission 250 Rich Young 7/18/01 References: Message-ID: <001301c13fcf$42749000$3593a818@nj.rr.com> I have saved your e-mail for two months now waiting to see if anyone would reply. Haven't seen any I was on that mission with the 427th James Melton's crew. I do not have any special recollection of the events' We first went on March 5 but the mission never was completed because of cloud cover. The P-38's got thru. We returned on the 6th and I believe our ship carried only leaflets. Beyond the memory fails me. George (Harry) Frechter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Young" To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:34 AM Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mission 250 > > I've recently finished reading the book "Target Berlin" Mission 250:6 March > 1944. This book gives points of view of many participants on both sides and > how they were impacted or influenced by this first Berlin raid. I wonder > who on this list may have taken part on this particular mission and if you > have any special recollections or experiences you might wish to share. > > Regards, > > ÒÒÒÒÒÒ Richard Young > > > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 18 07:01:58 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Rich Young) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:01:58 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mission 250 Harry Frechter Message-ID: Many thanks Harry for replying to my query from way back. Yes, I had no response and almost had forgotten I had posted it. I assumed no one had anything they wished to relate from this March 6 Berlin mission and your reply indicates other than the leaflets dropped, you had no "bookmarks" in your memory of this day's events. The 303rd Diary shows many of your aircraft received flak damage and some fighter attacks that day, fortunately without loss. Thinking most would have looked at a mission to Berlin with much anxiety, your relatively safe return to Molesworth must have brought some satisfaction of a tough job well done. Now, so far as leaflets are concerned, how were they released from the aircraft - from the bomb bay? Might In Flight states the 8th dropped more than a million leaflets that day which must have given an appearance of a snowstorm of paper following your B17s. Did your crew have any opinion at that time about carrying leaflets instead of bombs to Berlin? Again thank you and my best regards - Rich Young From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 18 18:36:28 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Owen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:36:28 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Bubble Message-ID: <001f01c14068$738ecf40$3d3f22d1@billowen> Hello List, Yesterday, I noticed for the first time a bubble about halfway between the cockpit and the nose of the B-17. Could someone tell me what this is. I'm guessing that it is just for observation....perhaps to help the navigator to see above the plane if he has to do celestial navigating. It doesen't look big enough for any other purpose. Regards, Bill Owen From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 18 20:30:17 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (John J. Nicastro Sr.) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:30:17 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Bubble References: <001f01c14068$738ecf40$3d3f22d1@billowen> Message-ID: <000701c14078$5a666e00$8d0e33d0@oemcomputer> You guessed right it was used for celestial sighting, also used by navigator to check other formation location and report to pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Owen" To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: [303rd-Talk] Bubble > Hello List, > Yesterday, I noticed for the first time a bubble about halfway between the > cockpit and the nose of the B-17. Could someone tell me what this is. I'm > guessing that it is just for observation....perhaps to help the navigator to > see above the plane if he has to do celestial navigating. It doesen't look > big enough for any other purpose. > Regards, Bill Owen > > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 18 21:51:20 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:51:20 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mission 250 Harry Frechter Message-ID: <15c.13128bc.28d90dc8@aol.com> --part1_15c.13128bc.28d90dc8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I was carring "paper" I enjoyed it, in a way, it was much easier to fly the plane and keep in formation Clyde Henning. Pilot. --part1_15c.13128bc.28d90dc8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I was carring "paper" I enjoyed it, in a way, it was much easier to fly the plane and keep in formation
                 Clyde Henning. Pilot. --part1_15c.13128bc.28d90dc8_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 18 21:56:03 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:56:03 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichels Message-ID: I have been told that propaganda containers were called "Nichels." Does anyone remember this term and then how they worked. Were they on an atmospheric pressure fuse that exploded at a certain altitude, or did they even explode at all? Did they just open as soon as they were released? Any information would be appreciated. Kevin >From: ryoung@oro.net (Rich Young) >Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com >To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com >Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Mission 250 Harry Frechter >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:01:58 -0700 > >Many thanks Harry for replying to my query from way back. Yes, I had no >response and almost had forgotten I had posted it. I assumed no one had >anything they wished to relate from this March 6 Berlin mission and your >reply indicates other than the leaflets dropped, you had no "bookmarks" in >your memory of this day's events. The 303rd Diary shows many of your >aircraft received flak damage and some fighter attacks that day, >fortunately without loss. Thinking most would have looked at a mission to >Berlin with much anxiety, your relatively safe return to Molesworth must >have brought some satisfaction of a tough job well done. > >Now, so far as leaflets are concerned, how were they released from the >aircraft - from the bomb bay? Might In Flight states the 8th dropped more >than a million leaflets that day which must have given an appearance of a >snowstorm of paper following your B17s. Did your crew have any opinion at >that time about carrying leaflets instead of bombs to Berlin? > >Again thank you and my best regards - > > > >Rich Young > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 18 22:12:24 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Owen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:12:24 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Bubble References: <001f01c14068$738ecf40$3d3f22d1@billowen> <000701c14078$5a666e00$8d0e33d0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001301c14086$9d894960$4d3f22d1@billowen> Thanks, John, that satisfies my curiousity. Regards, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John J. Nicastro Sr." To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Bubble > You guessed right it was used for celestial sighting, also used by navigator > to check other formation location and report to pilot > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Owen" > To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:36 PM > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Bubble > > > > Hello List, > > Yesterday, I noticed for the first time a bubble about halfway between the > > cockpit and the nose of the B-17. Could someone tell me what this is. I'm > > guessing that it is just for observation....perhaps to help the navigator > to > > see above the plane if he has to do celestial navigating. It doesen't look > > big enough for any other purpose. > > Regards, Bill Owen > > > > > > > > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 00:16:43 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:16:43 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3BA7736B.5271.56B618@localhost> > I have been told that propaganda containers were called > "Nichels." Does anyone remember this term and then how they > worked. Were they on an atmospheric pressure fuse that exploded > at a certain altitude, or did they even explode at all? Did > they just open as soon as they were released? Kev, My dad wrote this in his journal about Nickels: "The leaflets were carried in large bundles which were held together by metal bands. On these bands was an aneroid barometer. The barometer would change as the pressure increased as the bundles fell toward earth. At about 5000 feet, the barometer would break, allowing the bundles to loosen and the leaflets to flutter to the ground individually." There is one on the Thunderbird Web page here: http://www.303rdbga.com/thunderbird/p-leaflet.html - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 12:50:51 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Bill Jones) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:50:51 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichels In-Reply-To: <3BA7736B.5271.56B618@localhost> References: Message-ID: There are several references to dropping "Nickles" on the various records that I have. They referred to several different types of leaflets. For example, one mission I found, they referred to dropping "T-362" leaflets. On another mission, they dropped "T- 227" and "T-231" Leaflets, and another referred to "T-239" leaflets, etc.etc. I have no idea what these designations refer to, ie whether it just refers to different messages on the leaflets, or whether it also refers to different modes of delivery. I did notice that when the leaflets were dropped, that the bomb load for the squadron was less, so I have assumed that they must have been dropped from the bomb bay in place of bombs? Is this true? Also, in most of the missions I studied, 12 planes of the squadron formation dropped bombs, but one plane dropped leaflets. I had always just assumed that these leaflets were stuffed into bomb casings, such as in one of the Mash TV show episodes, but if they were released as bundles, I guess I've been watching to much TV. ***************************************************************** *Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine * * wejones@megalink.net * * Main home page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones * * WWII/B-17 page http://www.megalink.net/~wejones/wwii.html * ***************************************************************** From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 01:09:19 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:09:19 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichels Message-ID: <140.1cd3fab.28d93c2f@aol.com> --part1_140.1cd3fab.28d93c2f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The load of leaflets that I carried over one day were in bvomb casings wqith two boards criscrossed to hold them in. I took one of the leaflets out but it was in German so I dont know what it said. I dont know how it got "rid of them" - we just droped them out of the bomb bay like a bomb. Clyde Henning. --part1_140.1cd3fab.28d93c2f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The load of leaflets that I carried over one day were in bvomb casings wqith two boards criscrossed to hold them in.  I took one of the leaflets out but it was in German so I dont know what it said.  I dont know how it got "rid of them" - we just droped them out of the bomb bay like a bomb.
                              Clyde Henning. --part1_140.1cd3fab.28d93c2f_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 01:11:43 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:11:43 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Bubble Message-ID: <15f.1151410.28d93cbf@aol.com> Bill, It was called an astro dome. It would open inwardly. It's purpose was for the navigator to stick his sextant up there to shoot a fix for celestial navigation. (If the pilot and/or the copilot could hold the bird steady enough and it was night and there were no clouds and he had his charts with him and his watch was running and he could still remember how to do it and which star was Venus and or Mercury. The moon was easy to recognize but it moved so dang fast) . Best Wishes, Jack Rencher From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 01:55:12 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:55:12 +0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichels Message-ID: <20010919005512.JIGI6924.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Bill, I dropped propaganda on Berlin on mission #324 February 26, 1945. We were flying tail end charlie in the low element of the 360th formation, AC #44-6516 "my darling". The leaflet number was W.G. 35 and it contained a message from President Roosevelt under the American Flag and a message from Churchill under the British Flag.The cover page is a bright red. I also have two other leaflets T-319 dated March 1st and T-330 dated March 12th. The number identifies the publication. The bundles were large and I think we carried only two but I can't be sure of that. For the bombardier the drop procedure was the same as with bombs. The bundles did break loose at an altitude close enough to the ground to cover the designated area......Bill Runnels > > There are several references to dropping "Nickles" on the various > records that I have. They referred to several different types of > leaflets. For example, one mission I found, they referred to > dropping "T-362" leaflets. On another mission, they dropped "T- > 227" and "T-231" Leaflets, and another referred to "T-239" leaflets, > etc.etc. > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 03:00:20 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:00:20 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichels Message-ID: <16f.112c378.28d95634@aol.com> i had a mission of leaflets and saw the load in my bombbay as togglier. cheers. spec From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 03:06:24 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:06:24 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Bubble Message-ID: <16a.1132672.28d957a0@aol.com> was called triangulation??? spec From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 08:23:13 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (hans.reusink) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:23:13 +0200 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichols Message-ID: <001001c140db$f204c960$9d7e79c3@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C140EC.B528E420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kevin. On board the V1 they also had Nichols in a container. They had no little dwarf on board , the socalled Nichol operator to = throw them out of the V1 but it was an automatic device, that would do = the job, more or less the same as on board the B17.. I remember, when a = V1 came not to full explosion, you coud find the container in the back = of the V1. On the leaflets they had printed all kind of crazy = suggestions for english speaking people telling, you should give up the = war against Germany and all that sort of crab. Wonder, if you visited the Cosmodrome in Hutchinson Kansas, there they = can point to you where they had hidden this particular container. Hope, this will answer your question.Hans. If you want more spots, where you can find V1's you can go to Duxford = near Molesworth and the Air and Space museum. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C140EC.B528E420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Kevin.
On board the V1 they also had Nichols = in a=20 container.
They had no little dwarf on board , the = socalled=20 Nichol operator to throw them out of the V1 but it was an automatic = device, that=20 would do the job, more or less the same as on board the B17.. I = remember, when a=20 V1 came not to full explosion, you coud find the container in the back = of the=20 V1. On the leaflets they had printed all kind of crazy suggestions for = english=20 speaking people telling, you should give up the war against Germany and = all that=20 sort of crab.
Wonder, if you visited the Cosmodrome = in Hutchinson=20 Kansas, there they can point to you where they had hidden this = particular=20 container.
Hope, this will answer your=20 question.Hans.
If you want more spots, where you can = find V1's you=20 can go to Duxford near Molesworth and the Air and Space=20 museum.
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C140EC.B528E420-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 11:45:30 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 06:45:30 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Bubble Message-ID: --part1_ba.19e0c709.28d9d14a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Celestial navigation during WWII was a very cumbersome process and was prone to error. If I recall correctly, when Dad and his crew flew from Gander, Newfoundland to Northern Ireland, Dad dutifully tracked their progress across the Atlantic using celestial. The pilot preferred to use a Non Directional Beacon located in Northern Ireland. They successfully located and landed at Nutt's Corner, NI. Over time improvements were made to celestial navigation. Modern use of computers and satellites have turned celestial navigation into a lost art. Best Wishes, John A. Jenkins 6910 Old Redmond Road Redmond, WA 98052 USA Phone (425) 885-0595 --part1_ba.19e0c709.28d9d14a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Celestial navigation during WWII was a very cumbersome process and was prone to error.  If I recall correctly, when Dad and his crew flew from Gander, Newfoundland to Northern Ireland, Dad dutifully tracked their progress across the Atlantic using celestial.  The pilot preferred to use a Non Directional Beacon located in Northern Ireland.  They successfully located and landed at Nutt's Corner, NI.
      Over time improvements were made to celestial navigation.  Modern use of computers and satellites have turned celestial navigation into a lost art.

Best Wishes,         

John A. Jenkins

6910 Old Redmond Road
Redmond, WA   98052   USA

Phone (425) 885-0595 --part1_ba.19e0c709.28d9d14a_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 15:10:52 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:10:52 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichols Message-ID: Hans: I have seen on V-1 at Duxford. It was outside at the south end of the field by the Land Warfare building. Is this the only V-1 at Duxford? Or do they have another buried in a hangar somewhere. One of the more interesting items I've seen at Duxford was "Monty's" staff car he used in North Africa. I did send an e-mail to the lady who runs the museum in Hutchison, but I have not heard anything back from her. Can you please resend me her e-mail? Kevin PS - Those V-1s were sure a lot bigger up close than when you see them flying through the air on old film clips! >From: "hans.reusink" >Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com >To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> >Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichols >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:23:13 +0200 > >Dear Kevin. >On board the V1 they also had Nichols in a container. >They had no little dwarf on board , the socalled Nichol operator to throw >them out of the V1 but it was an automatic device, that would do the job, >more or less the same as on board the B17.. I remember, when a V1 came not >to full explosion, you coud find the container in the back of the V1. On >the leaflets they had printed all kind of crazy suggestions for english >speaking people telling, you should give up the war against Germany and all >that sort of crab. >Wonder, if you visited the Cosmodrome in Hutchinson Kansas, there they can >point to you where they had hidden this particular container. >Hope, this will answer your question.Hans. >If you want more spots, where you can find V1's you can go to Duxford near >Molesworth and the Air and Space museum. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 18:19:29 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Dick Smith) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:19:29 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichols References: Message-ID: <003601c1412f$3e77ee00$67f833cf@richards> HI GUYS: I HAVE A LEAFLET IN MY SCRAP BOOK WHICH WE DROPPED ON THE FATHERLAND. I IF YOU WOULD LIKE I CAN SCAN IT AND POST IT HERE. SPIDER SMITH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Pearson" To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Nichols > Hans: I have seen on V-1 at Duxford. It was outside at the south end of > the field by the Land Warfare building. Is this the only V-1 at Duxford? > Or do they have another buried in a hangar somewhere. One of the more > interesting items I've seen at Duxford was "Monty's" staff car he used in > North Africa. > > I did send an e-mail to the lady who runs the museum in Hutchison, but I > have not heard anything back from her. Can you please resend me her e-mail? > Kevin > PS - Those V-1s were sure a lot bigger up close than when you see them > flying through the air on old film clips! > > > >From: "hans.reusink" > >Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > >To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> > >Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichols > >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:23:13 +0200 > > > >Dear Kevin. > >On board the V1 they also had Nichols in a container. > >They had no little dwarf on board , the socalled Nichol operator to throw > >them out of the V1 but it was an automatic device, that would do the job, > >more or less the same as on board the B17.. I remember, when a V1 came not > >to full explosion, you coud find the container in the back of the V1. On > >the leaflets they had printed all kind of crazy suggestions for english > >speaking people telling, you should give up the war against Germany and all > >that sort of crab. > >Wonder, if you visited the Cosmodrome in Hutchinson Kansas, there they can > >point to you where they had hidden this particular container. > >Hope, this will answer your question.Hans. > >If you want more spots, where you can find V1's you can go to Duxford near > >Molesworth and the Air and Space museum. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 19:31:53 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:31:53 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichols In-Reply-To: <003601c1412f$3e77ee00$67f833cf@richards> Message-ID: <3BA88229.22442.D5541A@localhost> > HI GUYS: > I HAVE A LEAFLET IN MY SCRAP BOOK WHICH WE DROPPED ON THE > FATHERLAND. I IF YOU WOULD LIKE I CAN SCAN IT AND POST IT HERE. Spider, You can't post a graphic to the list, but send it to me at glm@303rdbga.com and I'll make it available. I'd love to see it. - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 17:51:21 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (hans.reusink) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:51:21 +0200 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Kevin Pearson V1 Message-ID: <001401c1412b$5296d3a0$bb7e79c3@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1413C.134644E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kevin. The V1 you saw at Duxford outside on the ramp to be launched is the = only one. Funny, the Avro Vulcans made quite an impression on me, but like you, I = enjoyed Montie's vehicle the most, seems, we are having the same taste. Wish you all the the luck in the world and I would like to take the = opportunity to send my sincere condolences to all the people involved in = New York, Washington D.C. and Pittsburg. Be sure we Dutchman, will be on your side to back up the U.S. nation Best regards Hans Reusink. The Email of Sheryl Glenn is sglenn@southwind.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1413C.134644E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Kevin.
 The V1 you saw at Duxford outside = on the ramp=20 to be launched is the only one.
Funny, the Avro Vulcans made quite an = impression on=20 me, but like you, I enjoyed Montie's vehicle the most, seems, we are = having the=20 same taste.
Wish you all the the luck in = the world=20 and I would like to take the opportunity to send my sincere condolences = to all=20 the people involved in New York, Washington D.C. and = Pittsburg.
Be sure we Dutchman, will be on your = side to=20 back up the U.S. nation
Best regards Hans Reusink.
The Email of Sheryl  Glenn is sglenn@southwind.net =
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1413C.134644E0-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 18:27:54 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Ed Lamme) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:27:54 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] bubble Message-ID: <000901c14130$6b98dba0$8d2664d8@computer> With reference to celestial navigation. We flew via the Southern route in February l943. The route was from Florida to Trinidad, thence to Natal, Brazil, thence Ascension Island, a small 2 mile diameter island in the South Atlantic, thence to Dakar and across the Sahara to Marrakech then around Portugal and landed at Torquay, England. Our navigator used cestial all the way and was particularly adept. Up to Natal we also used Dead Reckoning and pilotage as we were over land. From Natal it was all celestial. We navigated for 6 P38''s which were apparently on their way to North Africa. Our navigator, Carl Hokans, was constantly taking sun shots as we did no night flying. Because of Nazi submarines active in the area, there was no radio aid after leaving Natal and none in North Africa. He was incredible, htting all but one ETA within 5 miles and 1 minute. As a sidelight, Carl was lead navigator on second Schweinfurt raid in October 43. It was his 25th mission. Thought it would be of interest. Ed Lamme, bombardier A. C. Strickland crew 427th Sqdn. From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 22:49:28 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:49:28 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Bubble Message-ID: john my navigator missed valley wales and we were of french coast before he found his waynthankfully as had been long flight from iceland. spec From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Wed Sep 19 23:54:34 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (george frechter) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:54:34 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mission 250 Harry Frechter References: Message-ID: <005301c1415e$0d521920$4f8fa818@nj.rr.com> The leaflets were dropped from the bomb bay and I do not remember how the were packed. I did't look. As for your saying it looked like a snow storm, we were to high to see the leaflets dispurse. When we sent out chafe-aluminum strips- to confuse radar, we could them George (Harry) Frechter (These days prefer George} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Young" To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Mission 250 Harry Frechter > Many thanks Harry for replying to my query from way back. Yes, I had no > response and almost had forgotten I had posted it. I assumed no one had > anything they wished to relate from this March 6 Berlin mission and your > reply indicates other than the leaflets dropped, you had no "bookmarks" in > your memory of this day's events. The 303rd Diary shows many of your > aircraft received flak damage and some fighter attacks that day, > fortunately without loss. Thinking most would have looked at a mission to > Berlin with much anxiety, your relatively safe return to Molesworth must > have brought some satisfaction of a tough job well done. > > Now, so far as leaflets are concerned, how were they released from the > aircraft - from the bomb bay? Might In Flight states the 8th dropped more > than a million leaflets that day which must have given an appearance of a > snowstorm of paper following your B17s. Did your crew have any opinion at > that time about carrying leaflets instead of bombs to Berlin? > > Again thank you and my best regards - > > > > Rich Young > > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Sep 20 17:14:16 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (John J. Nicastro Sr.) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:14:16 -0400 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Bubble References: Message-ID: <002c01c141ef$4ce12fe0$690e33d0@oemcomputer> I shouldn't be bragging , but I was right on. We were even escorted by a British Hawker Typhoon. We were invited to the Officers Club and listened to Axis Sally welcoming us. That was scaring for a little old boy from Ohio. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <303rd-talk@303rdbga.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Bubble > john my navigator missed valley wales and we were of french coast before he > found his waynthankfully as had been long flight from iceland. spec > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Thu Sep 20 23:29:51 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:29:51 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Leaflets (Nickels) Message-ID: <3BAA0B6F.4226.7D6F9B@localhost> Kevin Pearson just sent me 2 leaflets (nickels) - at least that's what we belive they are. Can anyone translate them? Do they look familiar to any of you? http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf1.jpg http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf2.jpg - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 21 01:53:16 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:53:16 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Leaflets (Nickels) In-Reply-To: <3BAA0B6F.4226.7D6F9B@localhost> Message-ID: <3BAA2D0C.21335.100C2F8@localhost> > > Kevin Pearson just sent me 2 leaflets (nickels) - at least > that's what we belive they are. Can anyone translate them? Do > they look familiar to any of you? > http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf1.jpg > http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf2.jpg > Here's one more, from Spider Smith: http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf4.jpg - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 21 07:12:05 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Rich Young) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:12:05 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mission 250 leaflets Message-ID: >The leaflets were dropped from the bomb bay and I do not remember how the >were packed. George (Harry) Frechter Hello George - my apology for using your parenthetical name. Recent posts about leaflets (aka Nickles, Nichels, Nichols) indicate barometric devices scattered the leaflets at a lower altitude. I envision the bomb-bay could hold a sizeable number reams or bundles of paper so a million might use just several B17s to disperse the batch? Clyde Henning replys it was easier to fly with the leaflets, which I gather because paper being much lighter than bombs. You also mention "chaff/window" tinfoil strips. Dispersal it seems would necessitate being at the front of the group as well as at higher altitude to be most effective against the German radar. Has anyone experienced chaff to interfere with engines or cause any problems to following aircraft? What crew position would be responsible for releasing it and how was it accomplished? Thanks to you who provided copies of actual Nickels to view. How about Bill Heller as translater? Best regards, Rich Young From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 21 07:33:03 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (hans.reusink) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:33:03 +0200 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Nichols Message-ID: <002701c14267$44802cc0$9c7e79c3@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C14278.0782B5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Gary, for the Nichols you put on the web Wish you and Susan a nice weekend. Hans. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C14278.0782B5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Gary, for the Nichols you put = on the=20 web
Wish you and Susan a nice = weekend.
Hans.
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C14278.0782B5C0-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 21 18:14:26 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Pierce, Gregory S) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:14:26 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Greatest Generation Message-ID: <11A611A7F867C24EB1968E0D60B6E7BC07E3F5F2@XCH-NW-04.nw.nos.boeing.com> Make NO mistake I continually find myself impressed by the WWII generation, you came out of a depression, skinny as rails and went off to fight a world war! Your values and backbone have been a inspiration too me and continue to be great source of pride! Trust me, I can't say that the younger generation of American's or elected officials have always made the right choices or taken a stand in support of the Bill of Rights or Constitution. But for the WWII veteran who thinks all is lost and we are all washed up take some time and read the accounts of the New York Firemen & Police officers who ran into those burning towers and paid the ultimate price for standing tall in the face of a high threat environment on September 11th. No one was holding their hand as they went up the stairs. Maybe it is just my small view of the world but let me bring to your attention the younger American's I know. Sgt. Gene Frink was an Army Ranger (2/75th Ranger Batt. Ft. Lewis)who cut off his leg cast so that he could make the Airborne jump into Grenada in 1983. Gordon Quehrn who makes every town meeting and brings his copy of the Bill of Right's "To keep them in Line". Ann Brown, daughter of a B-17 Navigator, editor of our Newsletter, spends money out of her own pocket to support the "WWII boys" and never ask's to be reimbursed, dare I mention she is the first one on her feet when we say the pledge of alligence? The teachers and students of Renton WA. School district who before Sept.11 approached me about sponsoring a "District" assembly on Veterans day. Why? "Because we want to honor our veterans and the flag and instill some patriotic values." Sharon Bitcon who takes her adopted niece to the Military cemetery on Memorial day to lay flowers on Men's & Woman's graves that she never knew. These are some of the American's I know. Traditionally we Americans 'buck up' when faced with adversity. It's easy to wave the flag when in a crowd, but to stand alone with old glory is different. The true test of what my generation is made of is being tested now, It is my hope that we make the "Greatest Generation" proud. Greg Pierce 8th AFHS - WA Chapter E-mail Gregory.Pierce@PSS.Boeing.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 21 21:11:11 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:11:11 +0000 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mission 250 leaflets Message-ID: <20010921201112.ZIKP1680.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Rich, the chaff was disbursed by the radio operator through a tube. He would feed it through the tube by hand. As far as I know, all aircraft in the formation carried chaff and disbursed it in the same way....Bill Runnels > > > You also mention "chaff/window" tinfoil strips. Dispersal it seems would > necessitate being at the front of the group as well as at higher altitude > to be most effective against the German radar. Has anyone experienced > chaff to interfere with engines or cause any problems to following > aircraft? What crew position would be responsible for releasing it and how > was it accomplished? > > Thanks to you who provided copies of actual Nickels to view. How about Bill > Heller as translater? > > Best regards, > > Rich Young > > > From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 21 22:19:05 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:19:05 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Chaff/Window Message-ID: I've seen movies that show chaff after it's been released from the planes and the stuff sort of hangs there like a cloud and gradually floats down. My question is this: What would happen if a B-17 or fighter flew into that feild of chaff? Would the props just shred it, or could it cause major damage? Wouldn't the stuff rake havoc with air induction? This may seem like a really trivial question, but I have seen strips of chaff, actually it was British window, and it wasn't like tinsel you put on a Christmas tree. The stuff I saw looked about an inch wide and a foot long, and it appeared to be a heavier guage of aluminium than stuff on Chritmas trees. And it looked like it could do somke real damage to a plane flying 160 mph into it. Kevin >From: b.runnels@att.net >Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com >To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com >Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Mission 250 leaflets >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:11:11 +0000 > >Rich, the chaff was disbursed by the radio operator >through a tube. He would feed it through the tube by >hand. As far as I know, all aircraft in the formation >carried chaff and disbursed it in the same way....Bill >Runnels > > > > > > > You also mention "chaff/window" tinfoil strips. Dispersal it seems would > > necessitate being at the front of the group as well as at higher >altitude > > to be most effective against the German radar. Has anyone experienced > > chaff to interfere with engines or cause any problems to following > > aircraft? What crew position would be responsible for releasing it and >how > > was it accomplished? > > > > Thanks to you who provided copies of actual Nickels to view. How about >Bill > > Heller as translater? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rich Young > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 21 23:24:29 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:24:29 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Mission 250 leaflets Message-ID: <79.1b6a48c4.28dd181d@aol.com> --part1_79.1b6a48c4.28dd181d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is Clyde Henning again - The "paper" that I "delivered" was in a bomb shell that had two boards chris crossed to hold the "paper" in. When we loaded I went back to see it and pulled one "paper out but I cant read German. I assume it was exploted by a pressure device, I dont know, it just went out with the rest of the load which was lighter with one bomb full of paper. --part1_79.1b6a48c4.28dd181d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is Clyde Henning again - The "paper" that I "delivered" was in a bomb shell that had two boards chris crossed to hold the "paper" in.  When we loaded I went back to see it and pulled one "paper out but I cant read German.  I assume it was exploted by a pressure device, I dont know,  it just went out with the rest of the load which was lighter with one bomb full of paper. --part1_79.1b6a48c4.28dd181d_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sat Sep 22 22:40:49 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:40:49 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] one more leaflet Message-ID: <3BACA2F1.18211.6EC390@localhost> Here is one more leaflet courtesy of Spider Smith. http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf5.jpg Also available are: http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf1.jpg http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf2.jpg http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf4.jpg We're still looking for a German translator. - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 23 01:32:23 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:32:23 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Greatest Generation Message-ID: I flew my 35 in the 358th and I have followed this forum for the past 2 yrs and I know that some of you younger contributors have questioned your courage in the face of adversity- I for one did not- and I think your questions have been answered in the past two weeks! We will prevail! Bill Carter From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 23 05:40:50 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 00:40:50 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] one more leaflet Message-ID: <88.cbafeab.28dec1d2@cs.com> --part1_88.cbafeab.28dec1d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since no one else has stepped up to translate the German leaflets I will give it a try. I had a few weeks of German many years ago and I will certainly defer to anyone has more knowledge in this area. My German to English translations are literal. Leaflet 1 'Day and Night With United Force' Leaflet 2 'Adolf Hitler declared war on the US on December 11, 1941 The American Air Force gives the response ATTACK ...Together with the RAF by day and by night ...To strategic targets in all parts of Germany (Reich)' Leaflet 3 will take considerably longer to translate. This leaflet refers to 'Stalingrad number 2' in Kiev. A rough translation of the first sentence is 'This is due to the Fuerher' Best Wishes und Guten Nacht, John A. Jenkins 6910 Old Redmond Road Redmond, WA 98052 USA Phone (425) 885-0595 --part1_88.cbafeab.28dec1d2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Since no one else has stepped up to translate the German leaflets I will give it a try.  I had a few weeks of German many years ago and I will certainly defer to anyone has more knowledge in this area.  My German to English translations are literal.

Leaflet 1

'Day and Night      With United Force'

Leaflet 2

'Adolf Hitler declared war on the US on December 11, 1941
The American Air Force gives the response
ATTACK
...Together with the RAF by day and by night
...To strategic targets in all parts of Germany (Reich)'

Leaflet 3 will take considerably longer to translate.  This leaflet refers to 'Stalingrad number 2' in Kiev.
A rough translation of the first sentence is 'This is due to the Fuerher'


Best Wishes und Guten Nacht,

John A. Jenkins

6910 Old Redmond Road
Redmond, WA   98052   USA

Phone (425) 885-0595 --part1_88.cbafeab.28dec1d2_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 23 17:48:01 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Jay and Robin Primavera) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:48:01 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] German Translator Message-ID: <003401c1444f$82c2e380$713fafd8@jp> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C14425.9912A820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Gary and All, A fellow who works for me is a Resident Alien from Germany. He will be = able to translate. I'll print copies and get these translated this = week. Jay Primavera ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C14425.9912A820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Gary and All,
 
A fellow who works for me is a Resident = Alien from=20 Germany.  He will be able to translate.  I'll print copies and = get=20 these translated this week.
 
Jay = Primavera
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C14425.9912A820-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 23 22:25:27 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:25:27 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Leaflet Translations Message-ID: <3BADF0D7.477.1382AFC@localhost> Here are the Leaflets posted with translations courtesy of Jay Primavera. The were translated by his friend Marcel Jacoby (originally from Stuttgart, Germany). The comments in parenthesis are the translator's. Thanks a lot, Jay! ----- LEAF 1 http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf1.jpg Day and Night With United Strength ----- LEAF 2 http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf2.jpg Adolf Hitler declared war on the United States on December 11, 1941 The American Air Force replies ATTACK =85Together with the RAF by day and night =85.on strategic targets of war in all parts of the Reich This leaflet was thrown from American Bombers ------ (Leaf 4 & 5 are companion pieces) 4) http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf4.jpg STALINGRAD NUMBER 2! (probably refers to Kiev) Thanks to the Fuehrer! On February 17 the Red Army finished off the remainder of 10 German divisions. 55,000 Germans fell when surrounded and 18,200 were captured. Another 27,000 German soldiers which belonged to the Army of General Field Marshall Manstein tried to break into and release the surrounded divisions, without success. The German Army, one year after the catastrophe at Stalingrad, un Same as in Stalingrad, the German troops, completely surrounded, were ordered by Adolf Hitler to hold a strategically impossible position. Same as in Stalingrad, the German troops at Korsun were promised help and relief by Adolf Hitler. They hoped for nothing. Same as in Stalingrad, many German officers on the front attempted to unconditionally surrender in order to save the lives of tens of thousands of German soldiers rather than losing them in a hopeless battle. Same as in Stalingrad, Hitler=92s orders prevented their surrender. Same as in Stalingrad, and all over the Eastern front, the German strategy of Adolf Hitler=92s institutions dictated the price to be paid by tens of thousands of German Mothers, Women, and Girls whose Sons, Husbands and Fianc=E9es lost their lives on Russian soil for a lost cause. Seldom in history has a military commander made such a big mistake as Hitler did in Stalingrad. Now he gave the Germans a second Stalingrad. HOW MANY STALINGRADS DOES THERE HAVE TO BE? (drawings) 1. On February 3, units of the Red Army, from east and west, meet at Swenigerodka and surround ten German divisions. 2. The circle around the German divisions tightens. Germany tries to bre= ach the surrounding troops from the outside and fails. 3. On February 17, they (Red Army) finish off 10 German divisions. The encircled 55,000 Germans fell and 27,000 fell when they tried to breach the perimeter. ----- Leaf 5 http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf5.jpg THE TEN GERMAN DIVISIONS 1 57TH Infantry division from Bavaria 2 72nd Infantry division from the Rheinland 3 82nd Infantry division from Frankfurt on the Main 4 88th Infantry division from Bavaria 5 112th Infantry division from Darmstadt 6 167th Infantry division from Bavaria 7 168th Infantry division from Schlesien 8 332nd Infantry division from Schlesien 9 213th Security division 10 S.S. Tank division Viking and S.S. Brigade Wallonia NEEDLESS SACRIFICE --- - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association http://www.303rdBGA.com http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 23 23:31:53 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Dick Smith) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:31:53 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Leaflet Translations References: <3BADF0D7.477.1382AFC@localhost> Message-ID: <001d01c1447f$8c920640$41f833cf@richards> Thanks Gary: The translations will be on the next page of my scrapbook facing the originals.Thanks to Marcel Jakoby. Spider ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Moncur" To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: [303rd-Talk] Leaflet Translations > > Here are the Leaflets posted with translations courtesy of Jay > Primavera. The were translated by his friend Marcel Jacoby > (originally from Stuttgart, Germany). The comments in > parenthesis are the translator's. > > Thanks a lot, Jay! > > ----- > LEAF 1 > http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf1.jpg > Day and Night > With United Strength > ----- > LEAF 2 > http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf2.jpg > Adolf Hitler declared war > on the United States > on December 11, 1941 > > The American Air Force > replies > ATTACK > > .Together with the RAF > by day and night > ..on strategic targets of war > in all parts of the Reich > > This leaflet was thrown from American Bombers > ------ > (Leaf 4 & 5 are companion pieces) > > 4) > http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf4.jpg > STALINGRAD NUMBER 2! (probably refers to Kiev) > > Thanks to the Fuehrer! > > On February 17 the Red Army finished off the remainder of > 10 German divisions. 55,000 Germans fell when surrounded > and 18,200 were captured. Another 27,000 German soldiers > which belonged to the Army of General Field Marshall > Manstein tried to break into and release the surrounded > divisions, without success. The German Army, one year after > the catastrophe at Stalingrad, un > > Same as in Stalingrad, the German troops, completely > surrounded, were ordered by Adolf Hitler to hold a > strategically impossible position. > > Same as in Stalingrad, the German troops at Korsun were > promised help and relief by Adolf Hitler. They hoped for > nothing. > > > > Same as in Stalingrad, many German officers on the front > attempted to unconditionally surrender in order to save the > lives of tens of thousands of German soldiers rather than > losing them in a hopeless battle. Same as in Stalingrad, > Hitler's orders prevented their surrender. > > Same as in Stalingrad, and all over the Eastern front, the > German strategy of Adolf Hitler's institutions dictated the > price to be paid by tens of thousands of German Mothers, > Women, and Girls whose Sons, Husbands and Fiancées lost > their lives on Russian soil for a lost cause. > > Seldom in history has a military commander made such a big > mistake as Hitler did in Stalingrad. Now he gave the > Germans a second Stalingrad. > > HOW MANY STALINGRADS DOES THERE HAVE TO BE? > > (drawings) > 1. On February 3, units of the Red Army, from east and west, meet at > Swenigerodka and surround ten German divisions. > > 2. The circle around the German divisions tightens. Germany tries to breach > the surrounding troops from the outside and fails. > > 3. On February 17, they (Red Army) finish off 10 German divisions. > The encircled 55,000 Germans fell and 27,000 fell when they tried > to breach the perimeter. > > ----- > Leaf 5 > http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf5.jpg > THE TEN GERMAN DIVISIONS > 1 57TH Infantry division from Bavaria > 2 72nd Infantry division from the Rheinland > 3 82nd Infantry division from Frankfurt on the Main > 4 88th Infantry division from Bavaria > 5 112th Infantry division from Darmstadt > 6 167th Infantry division from Bavaria > 7 168th Infantry division from Schlesien > 8 332nd Infantry division from Schlesien > 9 213th Security division > 10 S.S. Tank division Viking and S.S. Brigade Wallonia > NEEDLESS SACRIFICE > --- > > - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association > http://www.303rdBGA.com > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 24 03:10:28 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Dick Smith) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:10:28 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Leaflet Translations References: <3BADF0D7.477.1382AFC@localhost> Message-ID: <001101c1449e$15751240$54f833cf@richards> Hi Gary and All : I noticed from the translation that the leaflet was from February 1945 or later . I must have gotten it from our Intelligence Officer in the Scouting Force . We did not drop leaflets although we did drop Window(Chaff) from our P51's we carried it in a paper Drop Tank which was sawed in half lengthwise and held together with metal banding straps fastened to the bomb shackles. We did this to cover the lead groups who had no chaff protection from any groups flying in front of them. Spider Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Moncur" To: <303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: [303rd-Talk] Leaflet Translations > > Here are the Leaflets posted with translations courtesy of Jay > Primavera. The were translated by his friend Marcel Jacoby > (originally from Stuttgart, Germany). The comments in > parenthesis are the translator's. > > Thanks a lot, Jay! > > ----- > LEAF 1 > http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf1.jpg > Day and Night > With United Strength > ----- > LEAF 2 > http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf2.jpg > Adolf Hitler declared war > on the United States > on December 11, 1941 > > The American Air Force > replies > ATTACK > > .Together with the RAF > by day and night > ..on strategic targets of war > in all parts of the Reich > > This leaflet was thrown from American Bombers > ------ > (Leaf 4 & 5 are companion pieces) > > 4) > http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf4.jpg > STALINGRAD NUMBER 2! (probably refers to Kiev) > > Thanks to the Fuehrer! > > On February 17 the Red Army finished off the remainder of > 10 German divisions. 55,000 Germans fell when surrounded > and 18,200 were captured. Another 27,000 German soldiers > which belonged to the Army of General Field Marshall > Manstein tried to break into and release the surrounded > divisions, without success. The German Army, one year after > the catastrophe at Stalingrad, un > > Same as in Stalingrad, the German troops, completely > surrounded, were ordered by Adolf Hitler to hold a > strategically impossible position. > > Same as in Stalingrad, the German troops at Korsun were > promised help and relief by Adolf Hitler. They hoped for > nothing. > > > > Same as in Stalingrad, many German officers on the front > attempted to unconditionally surrender in order to save the > lives of tens of thousands of German soldiers rather than > losing them in a hopeless battle. Same as in Stalingrad, > Hitler's orders prevented their surrender. > > Same as in Stalingrad, and all over the Eastern front, the > German strategy of Adolf Hitler's institutions dictated the > price to be paid by tens of thousands of German Mothers, > Women, and Girls whose Sons, Husbands and Fiancées lost > their lives on Russian soil for a lost cause. > > Seldom in history has a military commander made such a big > mistake as Hitler did in Stalingrad. Now he gave the > Germans a second Stalingrad. > > HOW MANY STALINGRADS DOES THERE HAVE TO BE? > > (drawings) > 1. On February 3, units of the Red Army, from east and west, meet at > Swenigerodka and surround ten German divisions. > > 2. The circle around the German divisions tightens. Germany tries to breach > the surrounding troops from the outside and fails. > > 3. On February 17, they (Red Army) finish off 10 German divisions. > The encircled 55,000 Germans fell and 27,000 fell when they tried > to breach the perimeter. > > ----- > Leaf 5 > http://www.303rdbga.com/temp/zzz-leaf5.jpg > THE TEN GERMAN DIVISIONS > 1 57TH Infantry division from Bavaria > 2 72nd Infantry division from the Rheinland > 3 82nd Infantry division from Frankfurt on the Main > 4 88th Infantry division from Bavaria > 5 112th Infantry division from Darmstadt > 6 167th Infantry division from Bavaria > 7 168th Infantry division from Schlesien > 8 332nd Infantry division from Schlesien > 9 213th Security division > 10 S.S. Tank division Viking and S.S. Brigade Wallonia > NEEDLESS SACRIFICE > --- > > - Gary - Webmaster, 303rd Bomb Group Association > http://www.303rdBGA.com > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 24 16:49:14 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:49:14 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Leaflet Translations Message-ID: thanks to all who have gotten this interpretation. cheers. spec From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 24 19:01:14 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Kevin Pearson) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:01:14 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: [303rd-Talk]The Flag/Pearl Harbor Message-ID: Did the Flag of the United States fly at half-mast following the attack on Pearl Harbor, and if so, for how long? I have not been able to find this anywhere. Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Mon Sep 24 21:46:16 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:46:16 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: [303rd-Talk]The Flag/Pearl Harbor Message-ID: <16f.1662d14.28e0f598@aol.com> suggest you email dept. of defense and or the library of congress. spec From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 25 00:05:53 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (VONDRA BURRELL) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:05:53 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: [303rd-Talk]The Flag/Pearl Harbor Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C14523.8D659060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good question. I was wondering in US history have there has ever been 50= 00+ killed in one day. How many were killed on June 6, 44? or at IWO. = My memory does not think so, but I might be wrong. Lance Burrell ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Pearson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:02 PM To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: [303rd-Talk]The Flag/Pearl Harbor Did the Flag of the United States fly at half-mast following the attack o= n Pearl Harbor, and if so, for how long? I have not been able to find this anywhere. Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.as= p ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C14523.8D659060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good question.=   I was wondering in US history have there has ever been 5000+ kille= d in one day.  How many were killed on June 6, 44?  or at = IWO.  My memory does not think so, but I might be wrong.
= Lance Burrell
 
 
 
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From: Kevin Pearson
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:02 PM
To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com
Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: [303rd-Tal= k]The Flag/Pearl Harbor
 
Did the Flag of the United= States fly at half-mast following the attack on
Pearl Harbor, and if = so, for how long?  I have not been able to find this
anywhere.Kevin

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------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C14523.8D659060-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 25 14:54:56 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Tooley, Dave) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:54:56 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] The Flag/Pearl Harbor Message-ID: I have heard that 9/11/01 is the largest single day loss. Although, my memory wants to say that in the Civil War the Battle of Antietem had a single day loss as large or larger. I believe that there were over 20,000 in casualties, which of course includes wounded. If I also recall correctly, the CW had a wounded to killed ratio of 3 to 1, which puts the potential killed at 5000. I look to others for more accuracy. Dave Tooley -----Original Message----- From: VONDRA BURRELL [SMTP:lvburl6@msn.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:06 PM To: Bomb Group Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Re: [303rd-Talk]The Flag/Pearl Harbor Good question. I was wondering in US history have there has ever been 5000+ killed in one day. How many were killed on June 6, 44? or at IWO. My memory does not think so, but I might be wrong. Lance Burrell From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 25 18:01:04 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Chuck Golden) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #391 - 4 msgs In-Reply-To: <20010925160652.EC67E538E5@pairlist.net> Message-ID: <20010925170104.78222.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> The Battle of Antietam has always been refered to as the bloodiest day in American history. The total casualties are listed by the Park Service as 22,700. Of these about 3300 were officially "killed" with the rest being wounded or missing. Of those wounded, normally about a third to a half would eventually die and many of the missing had wandered off to die or were unidentified. However, of the nearly 7000 who lost their lives on Black Tuesday most died within the space of thirty minutes. This is certainly the bloodiest hour in American history. cgolden --- 303rd-talk-request@303rdBGA.com wrote: > Send 303rd-Talk mailing list submissions to > 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > 303rd-talk-request@303rdBGA.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > 303rd-talk-admin@303rdBGA.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of 303rd-Talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Leaflet Translations (IBSPEC@aol.com) > 2. Re: [303rd-Talk]The Flag/Pearl Harbor (Kevin > Pearson) > 3. Re: Re: [303rd-Talk]The Flag/Pearl Harbor > (IBSPEC@aol.com) > 4. Re: Re: [303rd-Talk]The Flag/Pearl Harbor > (VONDRA BURRELL) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: IBSPEC@aol.com > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:49:14 EDT > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Leaflet Translations > To: 303rd-talk@303rdbga.com > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > thanks to all who have gotten this interpretation. > cheers. spec > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Kevin Pearson" > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:01:14 -0500 > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: [303rd-Talk]The Flag/Pearl > Harbor > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > Did the Flag of the United States fly at half-mast > following the attack on > Pearl Harbor, and if so, for how long? I have not > been able to find this > anywhere. > Kevin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: IBSPEC@aol.com > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:46:16 EDT > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Re: [303rd-Talk]The > Flag/Pearl Harbor > To: 303rd-talk@303rdbga.com > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > suggest you email dept. of defense and or the > library of congress. spec > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > From: "VONDRA BURRELL" > To: "Bomb Group" <303rd-talk@303rdbga.com> > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Re: [303rd-Talk]The > Flag/Pearl Harbor > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:05:53 -0500 > Reply-To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > > > ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C14523.8D659060 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Good question. I was wondering in US history have > there has ever been 50= > 00+ killed in one day. How many were killed on June > 6, 44? or at IWO. = > My memory does not think so, but I might be wrong. > Lance Burrell > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Pearson > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:02 PM > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: [303rd-Talk]The Flag/Pearl > Harbor > > Did the Flag of the United States fly at half-mast > following the attack o= > n > Pearl Harbor, and if so, for how long? I have not > been able to find this > anywhere. > Kevin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.as= > p > > ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C14523.8D659060 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > border:none;">
Good question.= >   I was wondering in US history have there has > ever been 5000+ kille= > d in one day.  How many were killed on > June 6, 44?  or at = > IWO.  My memory does not think so, but I might > be wrong.
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Did > the Flag of the United= > States fly at half-mast following the attack > on
Pearl Harbor, and if = > so, for how long?  I have not been able to find > this
anywhere. >Kevin

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> > ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C14523.8D659060-- > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBGA.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > End of 303rd-Talk Digest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Tue Sep 25 20:58:20 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Tooley, Dave) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:58:20 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Self-sealing tanks Message-ID: List, How did self-sealing tanks work? Did the B-17 and B-24 have them? Was the principle the same for bombers as well as fighters? Once damaged, how were they repaired? Thanks!! Dave From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Fri Sep 28 04:02:40 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Jay and Robin Primavera) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:02:40 -0500 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Alarm Bell Message-ID: <005701c147ca$0dd7d8e0$773fafd8@jp> Would someone please explain to me how the bail-out alarm worked? That is what were the procedures and was their a physical bell? Thanks Jay From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sat Sep 29 13:50:21 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (ray cossey) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:50:21 +0100 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Back home Message-ID: <001c01c148ff$95487a60$6024fd3e@o7b6a3> Hi Friends of the 303rd Bomb Group Assoc. To any of you who were at Baltimore, this is just to say a heartfelt 'thanks', for all your hospitality and friendship, extended to Theresa and myself, during our attendance at the recent reunion. We left Baltimore with very mixed emotions - ones of happiness at the reunion itself, but a deep sense of sadness over the illnesses which befell both Mary Lee Deerfield and Merle Eckert. We arrived back in the UK on 24th September to learn of Mary Lee's improving recovery, but had already the knowledge of the loss of Merle. We had been in daily telephone contact with his sons, Randy and Terry. We had been friends with Merle for almost 20 years and we will greatly miss him and his Henny Youngman style wit and repartee. He was certainly a one-off and the 303rd Bomb Group Association has lost a wonderful character. He had 'adopted' our children and grandchildren and had kept up a constant correspondence with us all over the years. What occurred on 11 September was totally beyond comprehension and, in a strange way, we were privileged to have been with you in the States, when it happened, and so more keenly shared yours, and your nation's, grief over these terrible events. You can be assured that when 'push comes to shove', we British will be the first nation to once again stand shoulder to shoulder with you, whatever actions and/or sacrifices might be called for to rid the world of the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity. God bless you all Ray Cossey Honorary Member # 3 From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sat Sep 29 18:57:16 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:57:16 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: 303rd-Talk digest, Vol 1 #393 - 1 msg Message-ID: <145.2599c5b.28e7657c@aol.com> --part1_145.2599c5b.28e7657c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: Alarm Bell for Bail outs The alarm bell was located on the upper right hand corner of thr Pilot's Control Panel. The toggle switch operated three alarm bells: One under the Navigator's table, one abpove the radio operator's tab;e, and one in the tail wheel compartment inside the dorsel fin. In case of a bail out the Pilot would make an announcement on the interphone. He would then hit the alarm bell toggle bell for three short rings and then set the switch for a continuous ring. Crewmen were trained to assist each other in making the bail out. The Navigator and Bombardier jumped from the nose hatch door. The Pilot, Co Pilot and Engineer from the nose hatch door or bomb bay if time permitted opening of the bomb bay doors. The Radio Operator would exit from the bomb bay or waist Door. Ball Turret Gunner and Waist Gunners exited from the waist door. The Tail gunner exited from the tail compartment escape hatch. See: http://www.303rdbga.com/bailout.html Harry D. Gobrecht --part1_145.2599c5b.28e7657c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: Alarm Bell for Bail outs
The alarm bell was located on the upper right hand corner of thr Pilot's Control Panel.
The toggle switch operated three alarm bells: One under the Navigator's table, one abpove the radio operator's tab;e, and one in the tail wheel compartment inside the dorsel fin.
In case of a bail  out the Pilot would make an announcement on the interphone.  He would then hit the alarm bell toggle bell for three short rings and then set the switch  for a continuous ring. Crewmen were trained to assist each other in making the  bail out.
The Navigator and Bombardier jumped from the nose hatch door.  The Pilot, Co Pilot and Engineer from the nose  hatch door or bomb bay if time permitted opening of the bomb bay doors. The Radio Operator would exit from the bomb bay or waist Door. Ball Turret Gunner and Waist Gunners exited from the waist door.  The Tail gunner exited from the tail compartment escape hatch.
See: http://www.303rdbga.com/bailout.html
Harry D. Gobrecht --part1_145.2599c5b.28e7657c_boundary-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 30 03:30:28 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:30:28 EDT Subject: [303rd-Talk] Back home Message-ID: <6b.1b613fa0.28e7ddc4@aol.com> so very sincerely said and i for one appre4ciate it and your sentiments. spec From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 30 17:16:09 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Michael Baldock) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:16:09 +0100 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Molesworth Museum Message-ID: <024d01c149cb$477c4600$60a7fc3e@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_024A_01C149D3.98B04320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I understand from several posts here that there is a museum at RAF = Molesworth. Can anyone give me any details - where is it, when is it = open, how do I gain access? Many thanks Michael Baldock ------=_NextPart_000_024A_01C149D3.98B04320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I understand from several posts here = that there is=20 a museum at RAF Molesworth. Can anyone give me any details - where is = it, when=20 is it open, how do I gain access?
 
Many thanks
 
Michael = Baldock
------=_NextPart_000_024A_01C149D3.98B04320-- From 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Sun Sep 30 18:46:07 2001 From: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com (Gordon L. Alton) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:46:07 -0700 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Molesworth Museum In-Reply-To: <024d01c149cb$477c4600$60a7fc3e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1499D.1C1006B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Michael, I know a fellow in England whose wife is in the US forces at Molesworth. His name is Jay Haskins. In fact, I am going to England on Mon. with my son (16), James, and Jay is picking us up at Huntington at noon on the 2nd. He has arranged to billet us at RAF Alconbury on the night of the 2nd. Why don't you give him a shout, at the email below, and see if he can help you out. Gordy. hellcat_one@hotmail.com Gordon L. Alton 129 Mariko Place Salt Spring Is.,BC,Can. V8K1E1 phone 250-537-5913 gordy@saltspring.com "tailgunnerson" 'Our freedom is not free. Please remember those who gave so much to keep it for the rest of us.' -----Original Message----- From: 303rd-talk-admin@303rdBGA.com [mailto:303rd-talk-admin@303rdBGA.com]On Behalf Of Michael Baldock Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:16 AM To: 303rd-talk@303rdBGA.com Subject: [303rd-Talk] Molesworth Museum I understand from several posts here that there is a museum at RAF Molesworth. Can anyone give me any details - where is it, when is it open, how do I gain access? Many thanks Michael Baldock ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/2001 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1499D.1C1006B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Michael,
I know a=20 fellow in England whose wife is in the US forces at Molesworth. His name = is Jay=20 Haskins. In fact, I am going to England on Mon. with my son (16), James, = and Jay=20 is picking us up at Huntington at noon on the 2nd. He has arranged to = billet us=20 at RAF Alconbury on the night of the 2nd. Why don't you give him a = shout, at the=20 email below, and see if he can help you out.
Gordy.
 
hellcat_one@hotmail.com
 

Gordon L. Alton
129 Mariko Place
Salt Spring = Is.,BC,Can.=20 V8K1E1
phone = 250-537-5913
gordy@saltspring.com
"tailgunnerson"
'Our=20 freedom is not free.
Please remember those who gave so much
to = keep it for=20 the rest of us.'

 
 
 
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Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:16 = AM
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Subject: [303rd-Talk] Molesworth=20 Museum

I understand from several posts here = that there=20 is a museum at RAF Molesworth. Can anyone give me any details - where = is it,=20 when is it open, how do I gain access?
 
Many thanks
 
Michael Baldock

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